Jump Seats
 

Does it piss anyone else off when you search for availability of jump seats & you see its been given away to the husband of ground staff 2 minutes after the roster goes live ?

Jump seats should be allocated in the following order :

1) Operating crew's family members
2) AOA members
3) Non-AOA members
4) Cabin Crew
5) Gound Staff
6) Family
7) Management

Groups 5, 6 & 7 should not be approved untill close to the flight, to allow late requests form groups 1, 2, 3 & 4.

Anything else ?????

why the hell should AOA members get priority over NON members????:ugh:

Obvious, Duh...
 

Because, Sucker, it rewards those who have made some sacrifices (financial and otherwise) for the greater good of the pilot body.

aace
 

What's aoa got to do with priority?

badairsucker
 

you wouldn't even start to know what sacrifice is- get real or **** off

As the Captain, I get to chose who gets the JS. That's my right.
The priority I use is the one above & that's what most AOA member Capt's do too. That's their right. We like to support those who support us all. That's our right.
Maybe another (of many) reasons to join the AOA.
But we all really know why you don't join ...... $$$$$$

however, sexy looking girly with big Tit's trumps all those priority's............

aace
 

Nothing to do with money sport, all to do with what the aoa did for me -******* zilch, just like the last negotiations- they wanted to take conditions away from me- leave passage and I must go into new travel scheme- they are useless, they take from me to appease the others. You don't know what a union is.

AACE

Could not agree with you more....

Very correct

Sorry - non AOA - don't need a say - fair enough

Cheers

So Routetuner ....
What do you think your contract would be like if everyone was like you & there was no AOA. I can guarantee it would be MUCH worse.
Sure it's not perfect, far from it, but it's what we've got & we should ALL support it.
If you don't like it, join the committee & change it yourself .....

Sorry but you AOA militants need to wake up and get a life.....


They have done F all to help you out in the past.


Care to share with us what the great AOA have done for the pilot body recently??????????

AACE, If you are the kind of captains CX have now, god help us all, you sad little man.

OK badairsucker, I'll ask you the same question ....
What do you think your contract would be like if we were all like you & there was no AOA ?

AACE,

Simple english man, you can't answer a question with a question.


Care to share with us what your little AOA has done for the pilot body recently???????????????????????????????


Some of us can see the fact that the company will do what the hell they want to do....AOA or not. You have been paying into your AOA and in return you have nothing, your loss mate not mine.

Care to pass on your thoughts on the last round of pay talks, ah yes, the great 3%.

it's frustrating just to hear it

sucker,
what good does it do do whine and complain? do you think you have a better chance with negotiation by yourself or with the AoA?

Can YOU share with us what YOU've done for the pilot body recently?

NSO

Non-AOA jumpers
 

If the AOA had 100% membership, you would have seen better results.
How much leverage does it have when you play right into the company's divide and conquer strategy.
Individually I get very little from the AOA.
The upside is collectivelly.
I agree, no jumpseats for non-AOA members.
Hell no sectors either.
I'll take my jumpseat chances with non-AOA captains.
That is all.;)

I would love for some AOA captain to try and refuse me the jumpseat or leg. He had better have an excuse other than me being a non-member. I'm sure the management would love to hear about that.

The jumpseat is there to provide relief for the operating crew first and foremost. The priority after that should be for COMMUTING CREW, everyone else should be first come.

Ilovepx & badair.....I LOVE guys like you...! Pleaaaaase apply for one of me jumpseats. Answer: cannot. No reason given . Have a nice day

did we forget about the freighters?
 

AoA this and that, who cares. The most important issue is being able to use the jumpseat to reposition to or from work. Unless we all live in domicile, this is a critical issue.

Now - why can't this company open up the jumpseats and supernumerary
seats to cockpit crew. Well, they say, it is a CAD rule.

CHANGE THE RULE !!!!

Doesn't make much sense that your mother can ride in the flight deck of a passenger aircraft, but a qualified pilot can't get on a freighter. I can only assume that CX doesn't want this privilege to be available to its crews. Keeping these restrictions in place gives them the false sense of control over the crews. In fact, pilots would rather call in sick if they can't get to work, rather than admit to the company they need the jumpseat. So the perceived control is actually blind ignorance.

Other airlines in the FREE world have already figured this out and made progressive jumpseat/commuting policies. They actually SAVED money as the number of sick calls dropped dramatically. The original crews operated their trips and the reserve pilots were saved for operational difficulties.

Opps.....tripped over another dollar, but at least I picked up a nickel :}

Hmmmmm....nickel is shinny:cool:

That would be entirely inline with the CRM practices CX teaches. I hope you would have a nice rest in the bunk too.

The problem with the AOA and its members remains the same: All bark..no bite.

Man-up ladies.

AACE
 

You say you are a Cathay Capt; I am sure you wouldn't like anyone questioning your decisions regarding jumpseats, so why are you challenging a fellow Capt's decision?

If he chooses to give away jumpseats to "the husband of ground staff 2 minutes after the roster goes live" that is surely his right.... without question..

So we are beating our chests about jumpseats now?

Everything must be OK then.


I'll get my hat..........

Anybody notice that all the agressive / angry replies to this windup seem to be from non -AOA members ?
All rosy out there in non member land I see !!!
Glad I can stand up to my wife.
But I guess that's why you're all "individuals".

Come in spinner ...............

badcocksuckrr ....
Notice the opening to this thread ?
The last character is a ?
I asked the first question, so I'm waiting for YOUR answerrrr.
Make whatever excuse you want ............. $$$$$$$$$$$
Why so angry ?

AACE,

Just had a look at your past posts, bit of a militant union man aren't we!!! I really like one of you comments....Once a scab always a scab!!!!

Well life in non AOA land is great mate. Not wasting a few percent every month on a complete waste of time. Mate, tell me how good AOA land is, full of failures I guess. Are you one of the few spineless men who made some of the midnight phone calls to a number of the new joiners???? Stand up to your wife, me don't think so .





Apple Tree Yard, one word man.

IDIOT.

You Non-AOA members will do/say anything to justify not being a member.
Surely the AOA would have a much better chance of negotiating a fairer deal if we had close to 100% membership? you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that.:ok:
The reality is that 50% of our Pilot body either 1/ can't be bothered 2/ don't want to part with 1.5% of their hard earned pay or 3/ are just plain selfish .
Badairsucker: mate you ask "what has the AOA for the Pilot body recently"?
well have a look at the housing policy for a start. A damn fine win for us, negaotiated by OUR AOA.
Remember the Pilot's representitive, THE HKAOA, is only as powerful as it's members.
So I say to all those that don't want to join: "fair enough, but don't complain for one second about the crap the company shoves down your throat, if you want to change the AOA direction then first join, the get on the commitee"

I still cannot believe there are Pilot's out there that can't see past their own wallets. BIG PICTURE GUYS.

Surely we would do a lot better if we all LOOKED AFTER EACH OTHER AS A GROUP. Come on..........it's not hard to work out.

I'll go one further, without the AOA we would not have had a seat at the table under the umbrella of IFALPA to negotiate changes in airways / ATC practices in China. Now this may not mean much to those of you that have started flying in this region in the last 10 years but I can tell you...it was disasterous and has saved lives without a doubt. If you doubt me then ask the question to a long timer what it was like on the tri motor when atc arbitrarily closed the airspace in front of you and ordered "You go....you go back !"

The AOA and it's affiliates do more than just negotiate your renumeration package, although even I will admit it has done poorly in that regard

What about me!
 

Where do you guys think engineering staff should fit in here.

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Whaaat? Why should commuters get preference. The already have the roster organised for commuters at the expense of others and now you want priority jumpseats too.:ugh:

If you wan to live in Aus etc, take a base, pay the tax, but dont dick my roster and jumpseat possibilities around so YOU CAN COMMUTE.:mad:!!

asianeagle: is everyone in cx as selfish as you?

Ahhh ....
I think my work is done here.
Forgotten how easy to start a good windup.
Now, what next ............

no just the people who want to have their cake and eat it, and leave the rest of us to pick up the crumbs. :=

As a new joiner i find it interesting that a representitive of the AOA has not approached us to inform us about the organisastion and what it offers the pilot group. In fact the word union has not even come up in all of our meetings and discusions so far.

I am open to contributing for the conditions that they have negotiated, and i am sure the membership percentage would be higher if we were approached rather than having to try and find out about this organisation by ourselves at an already busy time.

With you AACE!
 

I give away j 1,2,3,4 to indian cabin crews mothers and fathers before non AOA members..

Did I mention. All freighter guys would still be on the freighter on c scale after 3 years of service if it wasn't for the AOA - CX agreement..

How about upgrade on base and the new basing agreement..

badairsucker. ...awww, you hurt my feelings... :{ seriously though, please....request a j/s from me. I love turning down guys like you.

So let me see,

You get a jumpseat request and you look at the name, then, out comes your list of AOA members and you have a good read through it to see if the the person is on your little and I mean little list! No, name not there so not approved. Along comes another request and you go through your list again. Christ, you have a very dull life.....



Boy, you need to get a life pal......


And to those who turn down jumpseat requests if they are non AOA members, please keep it up because I don't want to be on the same aircraft with a captain with a thought process like the one you are displaying. Keep turning me down guys, your doing me a favour.:ok:

don-one,
CX has on innumerable occasions refused access to a list of new-joiners or the new joiners themselves. There is a board with HKAOA info in the crew room by the mailboxes. Any queries please ring. At present after crews news publishes a lst of new joiners info can then be put in mailboxes.
A copy of the most recent letter and response from the DFO is available on AOA website.:ok:

badairsucker,.....you still won't get the j/s, and remember, i'm doing you a favour :ok:

another cent
 

This is sad... AOA or not, it is a personal choice. Whether it represents all of our ideas, and hopes, even, what is fair, is another topic. We are not living in a one man vote atmosphere.
I would hate to come across anyone who thinks they have the solution and doesn’t walk up to the relevant floor in order to understand why the company he/she is making so many sacrifices for, does not care to the personal or economical consequences involved. Reality bites. Cx has enjoyed years of unsurpassed growth, beat all income records and net profit expectations. I do believe that those have been achieved by the wits and hard work of all involved in this operation. Ground staff, pilots, engineers, recruitment, management and management managers...
Cost of living goes up as time goes by, call it 3%/year. If you want to have a flight school, keep up your conditions, now, if you rather keep your last name, stand up and play. After all...if you want to play, you need to pay. Don’t you?
Once I heard...”we can afford a hull loss per year”, really? I dare anyone to have their loved ones in such affordable flight. I have recently received the latest copy of “safety first”. Open to discussion, including the controlled rest issue. Why now? Are we more tired than on previous winters?.
I do respect those that implement a benefit for membership. There should be no question about it. If you want to play... Some others are too involved in a 1%, 3% cost. Simply put, multiply your daily latte and other harmless vices by 30, you may be surprised to what a small effort can contribute to. Cx is a secure company to work for. Give it a shower, a shave, some deo to ride along for a few cramped hours and you get what’s missing. Anyone who is here for the long term would be happy to know that there is a long term plan, not just for some, but for all that make things happen. And I hope it reads ALL.
Fuel is not cheap, nor will it be in the future. Neither are instructors, mechanics, spare parts, engineers, instructors, drivers, cadets or direct entry pilots. Unity makes one. That is the bottom line.
AOA has faults, no doubt. One is, as previously mentioned, the lack of advertisement to new or current employees. How does a weekly open house posted on the board sound? What could a free tutor/mentor service for new joiners do? Members or not, it’s a good approach.
We can’t sit and jump at the same time.

Thoughts anyone?

Well said. Lucid, concise, thought-provoking. Are you sure you're American?

Maybe he is from South Africa;)

Hey Badairsucker: all for one and one for me............ass:mad:

how's about you think of joining the AOA and maybe then we can all WORK TOGETHER.

Novel idea huh.

unless you have more selfish, self serving plans we don't know about?