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iLuvPX,
I suggest you and your non member mates take that 1-3% and buy yourselves a spine, or some balls.

Thats what we need, smart, intelligent, constructive comments like wheelers comments..mate, it doesnt help us at all trying to move forward when you post comments like you did, pull your head in and get a reality check...

NC, has the GC discussed at all the possibility of pro negotiators? Didnt the company hire some thugs to be there negotiators? if so, then they dont have a leg to stand on if they want to only deal with us, i wouldnt give them a choice, if they are hired by the AOA then they are representing us and they wouldnt give up until they get what they are told to and because they are being paid by us, they wouldnt stop!!!

I may have to call in a favor or two from the Teamsters!!! Now they would be enjoyable to watch!!!

hump-OUT

NR considers professional negotiators as terrorists and he doesn’t negotiate with terrorists. He said that many years ago.:E:ok:

What Ryanair are offering

This from the ryanair web site for those looking for alternative comparisons
do the sums at GBP 15.7 to the HK$ . Suddenly our salaries don’t look so attractive
UK salary Eurozone
Captains

Up to £100,000pa HK 130, 833 pm Up to €130,000
Training £120,000 HK 157,000 pm up to €160,000

First Officers (1,500 hrs)
Up to £70,000 HK 91,583 Up to to €80,000

I think you need to check those figures. After 9 weeks of negotiations the company thinks

£45,036

is the right figure for an FO to start on a UK basing. Please advise ryanair etc of their misquoted salary!

The UFO starting salary for the UK base doesnt reflect the bucketload of of experience CX requires for the position.

Lots of companies have starting salaries in the mid 40k's but the entry requirements are much less.

The point is, why would experienced pilots who have progressed up their respective companies career ladder want to join CX on that starting pay?

MAX:cool:

Surely he can't be serious....

"Maybe I am being overly optimistic but we aim to talk about Roster Practices and Basing Policy next year so we may as well add pay and retirement age into the mix again."

Is he joking? Look where integrated negotiating got us this time. Surely it is time the AoA stood up and said no, we will not negotiate anything else until a reasonable offer of pay is on the table. When pay is resolved we will move forward.

The AoA GC would have reasonable justification in saying to the company that it unlikely a vote on anything other than pay will win the support of the masses due to the damage done by the company's imposed miniscule pay rise. Given the company's obvious disregard to move forward together the membership will be anti any company attempt to alter Roster Practices and basing policy.

As a second thought, why do we need to be re-negotiating Roster practices again so soon unless the company has won some concessions from the CAD that it wants to implement.

Also it appears that the company plan to wait a little bit (until next year) to find out if there implemented contract and pay impact on retention and recruitment. If no-one leaves (as I suspect they won't) and no-one joins they know they can tighten the screw another turn.

Good point MAX, are you still in Tomshonfly?

More resignations

Heard today another 3 F/O's have resigned at CX, many more to follow. It seems that the EK roadshow actually snared more in than we think.
Numerous resignations ready to be handed in at KA.
Tiger are ramping up the ante and scouting for even more airbus crew.
Surely this is the time to stand firm on this crap once and for all.
With all of these 3 sector days I appear to have developed a case Rectal Glaucoma (medical for I can't see my a**e going to work).

Just heard from a mate at QATAR that they are also getting critically short of crew, especially skippers...and rumours are that requirements for DEC's will be lowered soon..as well as a HUGE payrise (around 30%-40%).

No idea what pay and conditions are like in Doha..but something worth looking at, for the boys and gals thinking of leaving...

Oooooh...let the games begin!!!;)