That sounds about right, something CX swine management would implement, especially when HKIA is starting to get busy again. That’s exactly what that pilots want, giving more free time to the company.

I would still taxi 5-10 knots regardless. You have to make sure the money they dont pay you comes out of their pocket anyway and then some. For instance, ever since our last pay negotiations when the company offered 1% if I remember correctly and then called the negotiations over when we voted that measly rise down, I went back to using full flaps/max reverse/10-15 kts taxi/starting APU asap off the runway/never again doing RETI, every single time. If you do the math it cost cathay astronomically more than what they would have to give just to keep up with inflation or maybe a little more to qualify as a raise, on my individual basis. And there are many others who have done the same.

If you Let them take money out of your pocket and do nothing about it, you're simply a chump. Professionalism has nothing to do with it. Look up the meaning of words in a dictionary and don't be delusional or worse, illiterate.

So the National Airline that you worked for was in serious financial difficulty? Did you take a 50% pay cut to help them out perhaps or did you continue to expect/demand your full terms and conditions? So assuming you were still fully paid during your airline’s time of need, then of course you went to work with a cheery smile and displayed exemplary professionalism.
CX on the other hand does NOT seem to be in financial trouble. They maintained a full workforce in the head office, has not sold one of its stored airplanes and in fact is continuing to accept new aircraft at pace, re-growing as quickly as crew numbers allow. They are holding numerous PR campaigns and even feel good parties.
So the paycut that was forced on me was purely a corporate accountant’s wet dream to save on expenses.
Let’s face it, this giant corporation could care less if I dawdle around at 10kts. The cost is minuscule. But as someone pointed out, those extra minutes add up over the course of a year to the benefit of my family and me. If I have to choose saving a faceless corporation those few extra dollars instead of granting them to my family then you know which one I’ll choose. Given that each and every time that this professional turns up to work as one the the lowest paid wide body pilots in the world, the company is already thousands of dollars ahead.

And the irony is we were at one time the highest paid wide body pilots in the world. No amount of slow taxiing is going to make up for that loss. I completely agree with the sentiment however.

Highest paid pilots that had the highest usage of De-rated Take offs and De Rated climbs in the world. Making us the envy of other operators, saving 100's of thousands in fuel and engine maintenance and longevity alone. Meanwhile all the other carriers were doing Toga takeoffs narrowing the already very thin margin between profit and expenditure. You can see where this is all heading if management don't actually apply the simple solution. Turns out good Airmanship and professionalism are linked to pay and conditions.

There are plenty of jobs out there. If you're still at CX, you're either happy being abused or have no self respect.

This is not only a pretty arrogant statement, but it's also ignorant and simplistic. So many individual factors at play, from family to passport or age, just to name a few. You either did not think at all before posting or you have no capacity to put yourself into others shoes.

Would be nice if everyone that was frustrated did leave. Because it would be pretty hard to run an airline without any pilots. It would also be useless chanting the mantras of quick upgrades, rostering seminars and giving sincere thanks for good Airmanship and professionalism. Let alone sending emails about taxi speeds.

But yeah, many factors at play, can't deny that.

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NO. Grow a set and make a long/medium term decision that will benefit you and your family. Every single pilot in CX has the option to go to either Emirates, AUS, the US, NZ, UK or Europe. I left at 52, so STFU about age. Family? In 5 years, how will your education allowance and housing (sorry, HK allowance) be doing to support your actual costs as HK bounces back and experiences the next property boom? You'll go backwards, and have to move into a smaller apartment working for those thieving criminals, and you know it!

Shooting the messenger and calling me arrogant is just stupid. You have absolutely no right to complain about your plight going forward if you stay working for CX. It may not seem like it, but I'm actually on your side....I just think you need a gentle virtual slap!!

You're welcome.

all the local 7 year SOs must have no self respect then, cuz theyre definitely not happy being abused. or maybe theyre not considered pilots so your statement does not apply?

for family, i cant disagree with moving when it comes to kids, but for those who for examples sake have two 70 year old parents dependant on their care who are definitely not moving anywhere away from HK. according to your theory should they be leaving them alone to take care of themselves in HK just for you to work in the middle east (the only place hiring non nationals) with no way of commuting back to take care of them? Sure youd still have to grow a ******* pair when the situation makes sense to leave but it cant truly be "no external factors matter" as youre preaching.

You are almost right…

Our 7 year SOs (btw it is not 7 years anymore thank god) can’t but anyone with 500hrs P2 can indeed leave - even our South Africans or local pilots who keep telling everyone “I got nowhere to go…”

It is a personal choice

Bored, you are no messenger at all, everybody knows their options. Every single one of us. The problem is that you don't acknowledge individual differences. Just as an example, you assume living in a rental with kids in school. Postenzing above pointed out potential needs of family members, and I could give you a long list of other factors.We all have idiosyncratic obligations, limitations and preferences and people around us with again their obligations, limiations and preferences.

Now pull your head out of own butt and learn quickly how to consider other people's perspective, or you will not only disappoint random people online, but those you are close to.

You are welcome.

That is the truth 👍

What an extraordinary thread!

Have relations between crews and management sunk this low ?

Flight Safety??

In my day ( RAF ) we taxied and shutdown as quickly and safely as possible with the sole intention of getting to the bar ASAP

"have relations between crews and management sunk this low".....? That was rhetorical wasn't it Mahogony ?

Every single pilot? Please do tell how the low time SO’s with crap passports are suppose to get into any of those places you mentioned…

It is still 7 years on the 777.

What difference does a passport make? SO time yes that's problematic but if a Russian can easily go to Dubai for a job right now I don't think there are many bad passports that can't make it.

Cant go without a visa sponser if you can't get a job because your logbook is filled with p2x 🥸. Point is "there are loads of other jobs" is just not true. Home legacy carriers (QF, BA, UA, etc) require the respective passport. EK requires 2000hrs P2 (NOT P2X). E3 needs aus pass. SQ and AJ haven't hired yet. For 7 year SOs it's usually this or the streets.