Total War
 

The POS18 joiners have been saved by the completely immoral and unforgivable actions of the :mad: who mis-manage CX, so they will be celebrating the recent events. They are probably too naive to release that the attacks on us won't stop. Every generation of mis-manager has to earn their bonus by improving productivity (cutting costs).

For the rest of us it is crystal clear this is total war. I signed POS18. I'll get current, update my CV. I'll be taxying slightly slower, more climbs will be no-derate, I'll never take a direct, descents will be very conservative, I'll use full reserve slightly more often, I'll miss the first exit slightly more often. As the industry improves I'll be looking for a new job, once that is lined up I'll pull a few sickies at outports where it costs the most to delay a flight. I'll have my pound of flesh.

I suspect the company has well factored in a disgruntled workforce. Slow taxiing....? I suggest that won't really make up for a 60% pay cut. It's over at CX, and pilots lack of enthusiasm really isn't going to move the meter very much. The company is just another Asian LLC. And the pilots are now working for an employer who values them accordingly.

what a complete load of rubbish. No body has been saved from anything. The playing field has just been leveled. With the slow but steady degradation of t&c’s over the last few years, this was bound to happen eventually. The current pandemic just provided the perfect opportunity. Airlines around the world are fighting to survive, CX is no different. It has absolutely nothing to do with Mis-management, it’s business...if you do what you have mentioned above, in all honesty you will be reported( very possibly by one of those pos18 joiners, based on your apparent attitude towards them, remember, they have lost nothing. They are still in hk on the contract they agreed to join on) and you will be fired. Just saying....

I can tell ya right now if ya signed anything ya ain't winnin'.

And you wouldn’t know what ‘a war’ is.

Geez will you bitter CX lot just quit and be done with it. So sick of the whining.

Move on. For heavens sake.

Perhaps try something outside of aviation.

You might be looking for that job faster than you think in that case...

Replaced by a cadet who is more talented and can fly the aircraft better, and will get to keep their job. Bye!

Edit: At the end of the day, you either like it enough to stay, or hate it enough to leave. If you hate it but stay, then that's on you.

controlledrest

what an absolute loser.
How about you leave straight away and let the rest get on with it, you whining moron. Crying for mummy's help are you?

Check out Greater Bay Airlines, they’re looking for a few good men, and so am I !

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Has anyone actually seen the recruitment ads they mention in the article?

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I love all this bluffing that you will taxi slow and won't take directs and will update your CV and leave. You all should be grateful that you still have jobs and haven't been laid off like what other pilots have been worldwide including your Cathay Dragon colleagues. They'd happily take your position if you don't want it. Feel free to return to your home country now and join the other pilots driving tractors, trucks or stacking shelves in the supermarket. Even on COS18, the package is still way better than what you would earn at other airlines back in your home countries so none of you will actually leave when the opportunity arises once things recover. Oh and you'll have to wait for all those pilots back in your home country who were laid off to be recalled first and at that point you will be going to the bottom of the seniority list so doubt you will. So good luck. Even on the new contract the grass isn't greener. Cathay pilots have been spoiled for too long with your overly generous packages, this is a well needed reality check.

Ha Ha classic! anyone that says "let the rest get on with it" is the biggest loser of them all. Are you going to grab your ankles and wipe off the lube so it hurts a bit more for management satisfaction too?

All of what CR is going to do should have been done for the last few years, which is what I have done and still haven't been sacked.

Most CX pilots deserve the COS18 contract for being limp wristed losers and never standing up for themselves

and don't forget No accident/incident letter from previous employer.

Getting a bit sick of your BS mate.....Do the time, get some runs on the board first and then go :mad: off about how good you are some place else...

bunch of kids at CX currently.... pity pity

Oh. so Captains did RETI for being afraid of F/O’s or S/O’s.
I wonder whether you ever had a shot at being a Captain in the past, because unfortunately your comments render you Not suitable for command, as you do not understand the reason why a Captain is a Captain.

Just to add to the debate,
Pilots who were forced to sign to CoS18 did so in order to continue to feed their family, not because they want to help CX.
Those, if any, who will not sign over, also have their reasons.
So instead of the childish comments in previous threads, please be kind and support each other as the recovery will come one day.

Here here!


Not in a million years would any of you ever speak to each other this way in person. How do I know? Well simply put, because after many years I never have! A car or a keyboard shouldn't change your principles. ​​​​​​

I firmly believe that we all have our reasons and you'll never really know the full story of someone's factors to consider are.

Never fear boys and girls, the HKAOA has fired the first shot in your “Total War”.........a SURVEY.......

Hilarious, but absolutely true.... in fact mimicking the company. They issue surveys and then disregard what it's told them.

At least no more voting against 10 year Arapa or a payrise.




Im in Europe for a low cost carrier,Ive been on a 50% paycut since March(even a full wage stil only a fraction of many companies),I wont moan about it Im keeping current and ratings renewed when things turn around I will expect wages to reflect this if not then I will move on even if this means out of aviation.Those moaning about the way things are need to ask themselves "Can I afford medicals,sim refreshers and checks until I find a new job" not to mention rent and food.

I mean, at least now those of us that joined on CoS08 will cease to be belittled by those (that were) on superior contracts.

Those that grumbled at us for accepting a lower contract are now doing the very same thing. (And no, before you say it, it really isn't different).

It's unpleasant, but when it comes to picking the best option of a band bunch, there really isn't much choice.

dubaiwarrior is correct.

Not quite the same though... when you accepted cos18, the pilot market was significantly better.

now you won’t be able to find a job anywhere, you really have no option other than to opt out, completely..

I have been on zero pay since April waiting and hoping for our bankrupt airline to get off the ground again. The little monthly financial help we’ve received from our “government“ represents 4% of my salary. I have been trying for 6 months, with very limited success, to make a buck doing jobs I wouldn’t have dreamed of a year ago. My comfortable left seat job seems like a distant memory now.
Whatever the conditions of employment under this COS 18, I guarantee you it’s better than sitting without a job in this economic environment. If you are still employed in an airline and receiving a salary you’re not doing too bad! It’s not easy making a living out there...

Oasis

I assure you, much like now, it was the only palatable offer at the time, and certainly the best. It didn’t prevent many years of judgement though...

Perhaps a time to reflect on how we treat each other, and the importance of a bit of mutual respect.

At least someone in honky has a grasp of reality.

A lot down here in oz have yet to wake up and smell the coffee.

Winning right now is having a job because without one it will be a very very long time before you will have one.

Dont blow it!

Dubaiwarrior is correct in my opinion. It's an enduring myth that they had plenty of superior alternatives.

I guess there are similarities. POS18 joiners took the job because it was the best offer they had (due to low experience or no other options). The rest of us have been given a sign or fire and in the current environment one has bugger all choice but to sign. One group because they couldn't get a better job, the other group because there are no other jobs.

In a European mainline carrier and I have just joined Domino's as a pizza delivery driver ... no pay or work since March.

Anyone wanna swap places!?

In all seriousness, I can understand the frustrations of those if they have witnessed their T&Cs drop significantly since joining, we got into flying to lead comfortable lives, not to be thankful for whatever crumbs get thrown at us and have management step all over us.

For now the way I see it is you make note of what management are doing and when better times come (which they will), you put the foot down and make your case heard. When they really do need you all to fulfill schedules again and finding a replacement with the adequate experience won't be so easy you'll have an amount of bargaining power. Right now you have none and they have it all unfortunately.

controlledrest

I completely understand your feelings, but to think these pitiful actions will make any difference to ANYTHING is laughable. They’ve trapped us and we have to tramp the treadmill until another opportunity arises. It’s sobering to hear about airline captains delivering pizzas. I appreciate those who posted.

I still can't believe they actually pay me to do this!

What, troll the internet?

Ha ha ha. I overlooked that.

controlledrest

What a load of nonsense, all this big talk, chest beating will amount to nothing! Fact that you've already signed over to COS 18 says it all.

I have to agree unfortunately.
Traditionally a war doesn't start with surrendering..

Agree. The war is over. We are all now POW's. Our task now is to escape.

Correct. Two years. Tick Tock. A quite comfortable period to retrain into a different career. The exodus in Dec 2022 should, hopefully, be something to behold.

I will enjoy my last two years as a 747 captain thoroughly, keep her between the ditches, and make the most of it. But I'm definitely not going to look back afterwards pining for the ****e treatment and toxic industry I've been a part of for 20 odd years.

I can't wait!