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Sure, i'll run that by the 6 Canadian FO's all joining Air Canada next week (787 in Vancouver or Toronto).....and the many more currently in the pipeline awaiting course dates.
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Btw, 5% over 18 months....?, yet the time to upgrade is now starting to stretch out to between 5 and 6 years. You see the problem with your statement don't you?
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Sorry. Meant to say 5% per annum. A fairly hefty rate for any airline. Would suggest that time to command blow out is due lack of training resources (until now) and the company shrinking the airline to avoid having to actually deal.
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With Dragon Air, HK Express and HK Airlines, believe me, CX is never going to grow again. I have it on good authority that indeed that is the plan going forward. Expand the lower cost companies, and basically keep CX static. There is no career left at CX. It's toast.
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Done Deal !!
Originally Posted by mngmt mole
(Post 10529960)
With Dragon Air, HK Express and HK Airlines, believe me, CX is never going to grow again. I have it on good authority that indeed that is the plan going forward. Expand the lower cost companies, and basically keep CX static. There is no career left at CX. It's toast.
All those SO's or DEFO's joined within the last few years your history is already written ! Plus it's not hard to see the progression chart wrote large on the wall 6 > 8 years SO before upgrade then, FO HK Express etc etc.... Surprise,THIS is how CX leadership works !! Enjoy ;-) #CXit |
CX progression stagnates, company offers a deal to integrate the 4 seniority lists to provide the only avenue for promotion in the junior ranks, conveniently this will be packaged with the RA65 for existing B scalers. A win/win/win perhaps? |
Originally Posted by Farman Biplane
(Post 10530203)
CX progression stagnates, company offers a deal to integrate the 4 seniority lists to provide the only avenue for promotion in the junior ranks, conveniently this will be packaged with the RA65 for existing B scalers. A win/win/win perhaps? GMA has already state company policy regarding RA65, why we all keep bleating on about rumours of something different is beyond me. Those who thought they’d outsmart the company, take the bpp cash and the extra J class FOC and then slot into COS08 are waking up to the fact it ain’t happening. No. Chance. In. Hell. Back in 2008 the cry was “we’re Cathay pilots, how dare they let us leave at 55, they’ll be begging us to stay and on our terms” How things have changed. |
GMA has already state company policy regarding RA65 30 RA65s currently going per year for the next 3 to 4 and an increase after that. RA55 increasing as of now with estimates of 4 to 500 on that list over the next 10 years, peak in 2 years from now with the bulge of captains in their early 50s. No chance in hell? Parked aircraft affect short term bonuses. |
Did you hear the people volunteering to be forced into training were automatically given top cover courtesy of the company plus instant cos 08 RA65 benefits.
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Originally Posted by RAT Management
(Post 10530985)
Did you hear the people volunteering to be forced into training were automatically given top cover courtesy of the company plus instant cos 08 RA65 benefits.
Equally if the AOA fails to negotiate the insurance top up with whatever insurer they can find at next years’ renewal ( looking increasingly dodgy it has to be said ) watch membership decline. Rapidly. |
What’s discriminatory about it. ? It could be construed as a benefit in kind. In much the same way that current trainers get preferential leave, or the test pilots essentially write their own rosters and equally have more leave and have it when they want it. Note that I am neither condoning it nor benefiting from it. |
Originally Posted by Dan Buster
(Post 10531685)
Pretty sure giving RA65 to a very select group of employees would be seen as discriminatory in a Court of Law in this day in age. In CX's own words; Move Beyond...Age. Unless I misread it. Perhaps they meant; Move Beyond...Age...but only for TB Breakers! Precedent would be the key. Have new Trainers always been given preferential Retirement Age treatment? I vaguely see your point with the TopCover. Still not right though, just further divide and conquer tactics. Although, in my mind, still straying very close into the discrimination realm. The extended retirement age for trainers precedence had been set before. Any challenge won't stand up. It's a seperate contact open to you as well if you want to jump in. |
Originally Posted by Dan Buster
(Post 10536070)
Yeah, no thanks. I'll wait until the Union sanctioned TB ban voted in by thousands of my colleagues is officially over. I've got morals and I respect my co-workers. |
Well we all know who they are. They will have some lonely layovers and a lonely retirement as well. They made their choice
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster
(Post 10536134)
G Well, so be it. I've managed this long without having 'Training Captain' on my business card. And my morals and integrity remain intact. And I can look myself in the mirror as I did not throw my colleagues and friends under the bus for my own personal gain. As usual, one pilot group gets f*cked while another beat their chest about how hard they’ve got it. Any surprise those on the 777 were championing the cause. Bravo. |
Well things can always get worse. Those that have been working for CX for more than a decade probably know what is coming:
1. Hong Kong, China and possibly entire world economy slowing and in recession by Q4 2019 or Q1 2020. 2. CX forward bookings crater and management begins to panic about looming losses. 3. Aircraft deliveries deferred and accelerated return of aircraft as leases expire. 4. This equals too many pilots and staff in general. 5. LWOP 2019/2020. And how many of those 400/500 COS99 Pilots, many of whom are Captains, are going to "volunteer" for LWOP unless their retirement age is extended to 65 on full benefits? Particularly as they watch the value of their PFunds and property sink with retirement looming in less than 10 years. |
Originally Posted by rtrd
(Post 10537724)
Well things can always get worse. Those that have been working for CX for more than a decade probably know what is coming:
1. Hong Kong, China and possibly entire world economy slowing and in recession by Q4 2019 or Q1 2020. 2. CX forward bookings crater and management begins to panic about looming losses. 3. Aircraft deliveries deferred and accelerated return of aircraft as leases expire. 4. This equals too many pilots and staff in general. 5. LWOP 2019/2020. And how many of those 400/500 COS99 Pilots, many of whom are Captains, are going to "volunteer" for LWOP unless their retirement age is extended to 65 on full benefits? Particularly as they watch the value of their PFunds and property sink with retirement looming in less than 10 years. Pretend that’s not the case if you like. |
Only in CX would you have a bunch of guys fighting over a vastly inferior contract just to hang around the place. You are all pathetic losers. How do you look yourselves in the mirror you spineless cowards?
Get a life. |
Dilbert, I hope you feel better now that you've had the opportunity to vent. Take the rest of the day off....
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Dan,
"Pretty sure giving RA65 to a very select group of employees would be seen as discriminatory in a Court of Law in this day in age." RA 65 wasn't 'given' to anybody! We were all offered it and some, shortsightedly, chose not to take it. Case closed. |
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