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Scraping the barrel
Interesting to see we now hire candidates who can’t get through the low cost carrier interview process! What has this ‘legacy flagship carrier’ become? The job of last resort? Other Hk companies failing pilot candidates and we just scoop them up. i weep for the future. |
Or on the other hand, we hire well educated, aptitude tested, local kids and rob them of proper training with an MPL.
The proving ground has been KA for a number of years. We can be replaced with the 5 year pilot come captain. Didn't we send someone from the KA training dept over your way to help recently? The mindset here has been experience can be compensated by "world class training". |
The Directors, including our fellow pilot, the new DFO, are all on fabulous COS and bonus packages. They live in beautiful houses with Company cars and a simple instruction. SAVE $1BILLION HKD ON AIRCREW COSTS!!! Getting Rid of experience and hiring much cheaper "button pushers" is an idea that appeals to them, even though they may be sitting in First Class (again) when aforementioned 'pilots' run out of ideas. |
Mate, when you’ve got a gurning idiot like Kempis as DFO you’re through the bottom of the barrel by a loooong way... |
Originally Posted by Kitsune
(Post 10231242)
Mate, when you’ve got a gurning idiot like Kempis as DFO you’re through the bottom of the barrel by a loooong way... |
Flew with a very nice lad yesterday ( not PC but you get my drift ). Brand new SO.
Why did you join CX I asked ? "I couldn't get into Qantas or Jetsar but I have a HKID" was his answer. |
and so we take on a HK Airlines recent applicant reject due sim failure I’ve been reliably informed (and so apparently has BlunderBus) we live in interesting times |
One and the same
One and the same |
A recent s/o was an accountant and his father applied for him!! He’s here until he gets a real job! True talk |
Management would rather spend a large sum of money on recruiting and training ab initio students recruited off the street than spend a small sum retaining and attracting experienced crew. Follow the money. |
‘Follow the money’ .. going down the drain? |
Follow the money
....to Management bonuses... |
Follow the money
....to the EFB debacle.... |
Follow the money ... to the hedging fiasco... |
Follow the money ....to the basings fiasco....(which started with the 49ers) |
Follow the money.
....to the ASL fiasco... |
Silver bullet freighters
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Follow the money.
....numerous cabin seating disasters... (and our new 10 abreast econ) |
Follow the money.
....the worlds most expensive cargo terminal... |
Follow the money ...to the same A50 J class config as Ethiopian Airlines... |
Follow the money... To CargoLux flying CX’s production -400Fs. |
Follow the money.
...to having to redo dozens of PC's due to missing medicals.... (a proper airline would have a system to ensure such a thing couldn't happen) |
Follow the money......
..... to the Cargo Cartel fines. |
Follow the money ......
Introduction of the 800F |
Follow the money ......
To having to re-do dozens of PCs due to the A340 sim not being signed off (a proper airline would have a system to ensure such a thing couldn't happen) |
Follow the money. B-HUL and B-HUO now flying for Sky Gates cargo. A company that started only because they could get their hands on these 2 jets in 2016. Always good to create direct competition. the classic No money in freight. |
The company doesn't give a crap about experience. The cheaper the better.
One day a CX aeroplane will crash. Blame will be placed on the pilots (anyone expect HKG CAD to have the slightest clue as to crash investigation). The real cause will be the management who set the policy and the Check and Trainers who implement it. Foot stamping and letter writing only makes the C&Ts more culpable. |
Heaven forbid the precious C+T’s do something proactive about it! If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. What will it take to trigger some meaningful actions? I always wonder how comfortable they feel (if they feel anything at all about it) signing licences for candidates that have only just met the CAD requirements. |
Originally Posted by Farman Biplane
(Post 10235969)
Heaven forbid the precious C+T’s do something proactive about it! If you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem. What will it take to trigger some meaningful actions? I always wonder how comfortable they feel (if they feel anything at all about it) signing licences for candidates that have only just met the CAD requirements. Ever heard the expression "all talk and no trousers ?" |
Right, it’s the check and trainers fault. It’s been my sad experience that those with the least LMF castigate others for not measuring up. Knowing who the bad guys are is the first step in any confrontation. Unity is key. Circular firing squads are not helpful. We must focus on presenting a united front while an unsustainable resignation rate is brought to bear. |
Typical response. Why don’t we just keep doing what we have been doing for the last 25yrs then, because that has really advanced our cause hasn’t it? if we keep checking and training the lower cost replacements it will NEVER end. That is why I am not a C+T at this mob. |
Originally Posted by Farman Biplane
(Post 10236070)
Typical response. Why don’t we just keep doing what we have been doing for the last 25yrs then, because that has really advanced our cause hasn’t it? if we keep checking and training the lower cost replacements it will NEVER end. That is why I am not a C+T at this mob. |
<United, I have heard that phrase before, it was applied to the C+T group after they wrote the Trainers letter and failed to follow up on it! |
Unitedabx You need to pick up a history book. Captains and more so C&T are the leaders of the pilot group. What do you expect a SO to do to bring about a conclusion to negotiations? The impression you give me is that you are hoping those who depart CX will fix the problem for you. The most successful contract ever negotiated in the airline world was the UA contract of 2000. Why, because the C&T stopped doing training and checking except for PC and line checks. The company was back at the table faster that you could eat a free cockpit sandwich. Stop with the unity crap. No bold move by the above groups. No action will take place. Simple as that. As is typical with CX pilots. We all want someone else to do the dirty work. We get what we deserve. |
I'm not in C&T. I was 10 years ago but left when I took a base. As far as I am aware the HKAOA has not asked for current C&T's to resign. There is a training upgrade ban but many members have ignored this and taken up positions. If the association directed it's members to resign with the strict understanding that once hostilities had ended everyone of the C&T team would be re-instated first then I am sure most would follow. Trouble is there is no such "direction" and certainly no guarantee that line captains would obey the re-instatement rules.
The pilot body is not united. Even the AOA members aren't in unison so why pick on the C&T's ? |
Because they have the biggest stick and the least to lose.
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Originally Posted by Farman Biplane
(Post 10236797)
<United, I have heard that phrase before, it was applied to the C+T group after they wrote the Trainers letter and failed to follow up on it! No you didn't. Truthfully, if you did state your opinions openly at your next PC the C&T'er would have more respect for you than all your snivelling on this site. Grow a pair. |
Originally Posted by DropKnee
(Post 10236831)
Unitedabx You need to pick up a history book. Captains and more so C&T are the leaders of the pilot group. What do you expect a SO to do to bring about a conclusion to negotiations? The impression you give me is that you are hoping those who depart CX will fix the problem for you. The most successful contract ever negotiated in the airline world was the UA contract of 2000. Why, because the C&T stopped doing training and checking except for PC and line checks. The company was back at the table faster that you could eat a free cockpit sandwich. Stop with the unity crap. No bold move by the above groups. No action will take place. Simple as that. As is typical with CX pilots. We all want someone else to do the dirty work. We get what we deserve. You are also very naieve. Captains and C&T'ers are NOT the leaders of the pilot group. In theory the President of the HKAOA is and in the past C&T'ers followed the guidance given by the AOA. There is no guidance these days so the C&T'ers do their own thing. In 2005, 98% of the C&T'ers were members of the AOA. Today, it is less than 10%. I can tell from your posts that you haven't been in this industry very long and certainly not in Hong Kong. Open your eyes. |
”but many members have ignored this and taken up positions.” Maybe two.......... |
I am sure it will have great effect whinging to a Star Chamber SSI that is doing my next PC! Yet another part of the problem.... As you seem to be personalising this debate, I would suggest that as you are based, you may be somewhat removed from the realities of the majority of HK based aircrew that are all local hires. No problem with my current pair thank you, they function quite well. |
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