Yammer, then HAMMER !
 

It is gratifying to at long last see our management receiving the full bore of both barrels of the pilot shotgun. Long past due. Kudos to all my colleagues who have bravely (only necessary due the nature of our management) provided clear insight as to the absolute debacle that the past 20 years of management oppression represents. However, it is predictable that the management will choose to hunker down and wait for the 'storm of words' to pass. And it will if we don't back it up with action, as well as the words. To drive home the message that we HAVE reached the breaking point, and we WILL NOT tolerate any further such treatment, it is imperative that the operation itself demonstrates the message as well. Between now and CNY, we MUST each resolve to take action to do their part in reinforcing the message now being sent. If the operation is not affected, then you can be sure that the management WILL ignore EVERY WORD. This is the opportunity we have all waited for. A blind, ignorant, arrogant and ultimately incompetent management have finally unleashed the built up frustrations and anger of 3000+ pilots whom they employ. Now they must be brought to understand that they must never take us for granted again. Only a real impact on the operation will ensure that. It is up to each and every one of us to make sure that message nails them to the wall.

I also want to add this point. We have been abused, threatened and mistreated for 20+ years. They have ignored our own rules, common rules of labour decency and arguably 'coerced' the courts to obtain favourable rulings. In all of this have been lives destroyed and families ruined. Most tragic and appalling is the fact that three lives were lost due to these management actions, and a small child orphaned (and I ask any of you who are parents to ponder that). To this day the disgust I feel for those involved in the 49er episode is visceral and eternal, and I have faith those people will ultimately pay for their actions. In my opinion JL has now become the 50th member of the 49er's. Regardless of any failings on his part, the company victimised him and his family and cynically tried to send a message. Well, they're now getting a message back. The AOA must insist on his rehiring. There cannot be any labour peace until that is accomplished and he is back at work. Further, any other members who are victimised must also be rehired before any labour peace will be agreed. It is time to crush the tyranny of the Swires, and it can and will be done with the same resolve we now see developing on Yammer. Stand up for your colleagues, and let this company know that the days of picking off pilots to make an example is over. All back at work before any peace. End of.

Unfortunately this will have a negative impact on financial performance and pushes CX further in the red.

Maybe the CX employees should think outside the box.

- Every CX employee should get a trading account and use their 13 month payment (captains as they see fit) to put a buy order at the stock exchange for CX shares.

- Buy as many CX shares as possible. Organize all these shares under 1 proxy.

- Contact Quatar and Air China, explain the management situation in detail.

- Have an extraordinary shareholders meeting.

- Convince as many private shareholders how dire the management situation is

- Vote to replace the board of directors.Hopefully 50% +1 will vote in favour.

- Instruct the new board of directors to replace the entire CX management team with outside talent.


This is the only way I see any positive change happen. As an extra bonus shares will appreciate when the new management team turns CX around.

You obviously don't understand the share structure with CX. There is not enough public 'float' to have any effect on the price, or the board decisions. The ONLY thing that will get their attention is when the operation breaks down. THAT is what is needed. And why would I care if the airline goes further into the red?? I seem to recall that they have effectively paid me next to nothing for the past 6 years or so in profit sharing, and now have callously withheld the 13th month from me. Not much incentive to worry about the bottom line. And regardless of the figures on the annual report, it doesn't seem to stop our management from awarding themselves ever larger pay raises and bonuses. So please, spare me talk about concern of the 'negative impact on financial performance'. We all know what we NEED to make happen.

25% of all shares have to be public. Not saying that those are available to buy. However their interest might not be aligned with Swire.


Plus, may I add you don’t have anything to lose. Apparently you are months from retirement. Any consequences to any actions you suggest will not affect you!

Oh, so my suggestions aren't valid then. Ok, got it. I'll stop posting...feel better? (and regarding your comments on the board replacing the management...you obviously are clueless as to the structure of the board, and how they are completely beholden to the Swire's. Educate yourself a bit more on the subject before making pointless suggestions as to solutions. There is only one solution, and I have stated it in the first post on this thread).

Shareholders appoint members of the board.

You are one of those who rather burn the place down without thinking about the consequences. Easy to say when you can bugger off anytime with millions in the bank as an ex A scaler and STC.

No point in posting more.

No.. I'm happy to burn it down.

I'm done with this.

They sort it, or I'm happy to help CX stop.

"burn the place down". No, I am insisting that the management stop burning our careers down. It surprises me you can't see that after 20+ years of management attacks, the only thing left is to cause them pain. Otherwise they will continue with their goal of completely removing any value from our profession. I suspect you are management, so nice try, but the gates of hell have been opened by you and your colleagues, and the pilot group is now united in putting an end to these two decades of misery. (and as for being an A scaler with 'millions' in the bank. That is EXACTLY what every pilot who puts in 20+ years in HK deserves. Nothing less, and that applies to all my junior colleagues who have been abused and taken advantage of the past decade).

I think GTC58 is on to something. If everyone puts their $35000 into the pot, this will buy about 4.5m shares. Add these to Quatar's (and maybe Quantas' too) shares and that will move Qatar's holding from 9.6% all the way to 9.7% of the total shares. That will give us the power to go after the board. Now you're talking.


And ASL pilots were always portrayed to be the dumb ones. Please, someone tell me my maths is wrong or that GTC was just kidding.

I've been reading all the eloquent and heartfelt posts on Yammer, clearly demonstrating that the problem lies with our management. Most of the posts conclude by stating that the management need to 'listen' and then act on the concerns of the pilots. Well, I hate to pop everyone's bubble, but that is the ONE thing they won't be doing. At the moment they are in their corporate bomb shelter waiting for the storm to pass. The only thing that will force them to enact positive change is if the operation begins to suffer, and the public and government both react negatively. Our management has an institutional inability to offer any benefit or increase in conditions to their pilots. The only way that will change is if they are forced to. That is why I believe that the best option for most is to conclude that the option of a good career at CX is closed. Many have left, and many more are in the process. In the meantime, take action to do your own part in sending a REAL message. One that they can't ignore. Parked aircraft and angry passengers. THAT is what will begin to turn this aviation equivalent of the Titanic around. This management has sent us countless surveys, with the most appalling results rendered. They have not listened to a one. In fact, this past weeks message from the Chairman stated that "to win with our customers we need to win with our people". Well, the first thing they did after that was the 13th month debacle. So you can see that what needs changing is their mindset, and that will ONLY happen when they begin to suffer corporately and publicly. Until then, they will blame (and attack) us, and keep raising their own pay and bonuses. Each and every individual needs to take action to ensure they suffer that pain. Otherwise, it's all just words.

And I completely agree with Traf's comments regarding pilots being victimised. There is NO peace until every pilot so treated is back at work. We support our brothers and sisters without question. Beginning with JL. If the company knows that the airline shuts down if one is fired, then no one will be victimised. That is the protocol at nearly every airline I know. It needs to be that way here.

AOA now posting on Yammer FFS.
Having been asleep since early November the prospect of pilots talking directly to to DFO has awoken the GC.
Whilst I have absolutely no intention of having a chat with AT in The Street. I equally have no intention of allowing a bunch of :mad: like the GC represent me either.
Your time came and went. You are redundant now.

Can't disagree with that sentiment Checklist. Although I appreciate their volunteering for the job, they have failed. Now, the anger is out in the open, and the pilots are taking their own action. Another colleague called me this evening and told me he had just received his job offer. Now off 'unfit', but not coming back to CX, ever. Multiply that by the coming hundreds and you soon realise that the operation is doomed.

Considering all the sentiment on Yammer regarding the need for the company to 'listen' and 'respond', I believe their first response should be to pay the "D" level staff the same $35K that the other staff received. That should be the starting point for any commencement of proper discussions.

Traf is right. Our management will stay in their 9th floor 'shelter' and ride this out. Only action against the operation will get their attention. All the best wordsmiths in the world won't make a dent in their attitude or convictions, UNLESS they are forced to reckon with a collapsing operation. It's up to each one of us to make sure they are confronting such a thing. Holidays are coming.

Just saw on the "Telegraph Travel Awards" (Telegraph newspaper, London) that CX was voted the 9th (!) best long haul. I remember a time when it was vying for 1st and 2nd each year. Another sign of the failure of our management.

In order:

Singapore
Emirates
Qatar
Air New Zealand
Virgin Atlantic
All Nippon
Korean
Thai Airways
Cathay
Etihad


:D

Flown Etihad twice.. they are way better than us.
Poll is wrong.

I would put JAL in the top 5. They are my airline of choice these days, especially as Tokyo is on my itinerary for family matters. Travelled as a pax on one of our earlier 350's (LRG) the other day and it is already looking very worn out in J. Bits peeling off all over the place. Like the cracked mirrors in the dunnies, probably due to hard landings!

HA.

I'm in the JAL lounge in Narita now.
Bought JAL tickets home for xmas.

More money lost to CX.

The draft beer machine in this lounge is amazing.