That clause was a two way street, like all such negotiated agreements. You had your chance before the agreement to get it changed, for the life of the agreement, both side had to stick to what they agreed on. This honeymoon period of industrial peace is common in any such agreement in first world countries.

We are almost half way though the 3 year period now, and we have nothing to show for it. Except more threats of items that would have been protected (by having them included in your COS) are now available for cutting because they are policy.

HKFooey,

Nobody's going to voluntarily agree to concessions, the DFO knows that. The DFO is just preparing the ground to issue a "sign or be fired". If you weren't around in 1999, ask an oldf@rt to explain what's about to happen.

Soon, it won't matter what's written in your COS and what's not. Had you accepted last year's TA, it would also be in the DFO's crosshairs. However, clause 7 was not dependent on the rest of TA, it would have survived a "signed or be fired" and limited your ability to defend yourself. This was all explained on the HKAOA forums last year. That's why clause 7 was so dangerous.

Liam,

last years TA included specifically a 2 year housing deal, plus 5% and no productivity increase.

Of course we should have signed, don't spin it. We were fools.

STW, with comments like that it's no wonder people question your intelligence. So we got nothing and they still coming to steal from us under the guise of financial hardship. And you think had the TA passed, with the extra sweeteners that were added as bait, that they would have left us alone under the same guise of financial hardship. That makes a lot of sense.

FFS... we voted a GC who pretty much put thru the 3 men europe when leading the ftl team!!!

What do you guys expect?

Brace for impact is all I can say...

It's simple. A recruitment ban.

Start Fore, last time that was in place I honored it, only to find out later that guys were happily joining no matter what. Forget it.

As an interested observer from the UK would you mind me asking what CX are proposing for you guys? I gather it’s not good... (BA 78 P1)

STW get this through your head. Even if the TA which you so long for was voted in, are you that naive to believe the DFO in her current rantings, wouldn't have made the same statements about pay and increment freezes? So you would have still lost your 2%, and have no industrial recourse.
You could have agreed to everything they wanted, it wouldn't have stopped them losing 2.5B USD and counting on hedging, and subsequently come looking to everyone else to fix their f@&kup.

Exactly, Ron. It worries me that STW does not understand that at all.

Fear Not !
I cannot recall any AOA president or GC member rising above the rank of STC after betraying their members.
The one thing Swire's value over everything is loyalty and 'selling out' ( even if it is the enemy ) is frowned upon.
Old school.

you could not imagine how many people don't understand, it took me a whole long haul flight to and from hk, while in the seat trying to explain to the SO and I still think he reckon it was a good idea to sign it back then claiming at least he would have got some money first:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Curtain rod not sure if that is entirely accurate the company would of come after ARAPA now granted but they would of had to do it through a COS amendment then or forcing everyone to sign something... now they bypassing that by reinterpreting suitable accommodation it seems. We might of been in a stronger position had they of been forced to make us all sign a new contract. Contract law in Hong Kong is our only strength it seems.

Presumably if ALL Captains carried out all landings then, coincident with the expiration of ARAPA the majority of F/O's would be out of landing recency and unable to operate?

Broke idiot:

Would HAVE. Would HAVE.