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BusyB 6th May 2017 10:30

I thought all the water on the aircraft was portable as you carry it everywhere you go?
Guess it must be potable but it would be good to test it to ensure its safe to drink!!

Oasis 6th May 2017 10:53

Suggestions:

- talk on the bus is for PF
- pa's for PF sectors
- Captain takes the fat one.

LongTimeInCX 6th May 2017 10:53


cycling the seat belts don't seem to have any effect these days
I find that if they fail to notice that I've cycled the seat belts, as their little butts remain glued to their cabin crew seats, that switching the seat belt sign to auto, thereby allowing the pax to make a dash for the bathroom, normally dissolves the glue on their butts and they rapidly spring into life. :E

Avinthenews 6th May 2017 12:56

The ISM releases the cabin crew, not the cockpit crew.

Toruk Macto 6th May 2017 13:08

Properly functioning airlines , captains naturally pass on knowledge and asses F/O's capability then allow the F/O to challenge himself . Not sure what's going on here ?

Avius 6th May 2017 14:23

My apology for contaminating this thread with some rationality. I think, the responsibility increase is meant more along the lines of eliminating the FO's cross wind limits for landings or SO's being able to do the outside checks, etc...

Most other major Airlines do not have these restrictions. If that is the case, that would be a good thing for everyone.

RAT Management 6th May 2017 14:32

Because all command courses are grinding to a hault. lost 3 trainers and more resigning. Maybe SO's can run the next command course for FO's, I think that is the intent of the motion. Chaos is upstairs even though the propaganda machine says everything is fine.:ugh:

rustyoldtin 6th May 2017 20:44

Crosswind landing increase?

Sand Man 6th May 2017 21:59

ADFUS
I know what OPS A says (what exactly do they assess, deck angle, weather?), I'm just pointing out that there are more ISMs that do only start work when the seat belts get turn off for the passengers. Now a TPE flight is a different story, have seen CC work before signs cycled.

Shot Nancy 7th May 2017 02:03

"Deck angle"?
Aah me hearties. Right standard rudder heading 270 and watch the deck angle.

Some How I'm Tired 7th May 2017 03:02

My guess is that since 3 man LHR trial failed, they will now go for Capt/FO/2x SO's. Therefore SO will do walk around.

Huge increase in responsibility!

betpump5 7th May 2017 04:40


Originally Posted by bm330 (Post 9762426)
Has Flt Ops really run out of anything useful to do that they need to dream up this crap?

Flt Ops are as busy as they have always been. However there is no shortage of little Gobsh!tes who will do anything to get onto the management ladder and start making friends by coming up with their own pet projects. My money is on a a few new Captains wanting to make a name for themselves.

White None 7th May 2017 04:46

To be fair, we don't know if anyone else in Flt Ops, other than the author, had any input? Personally, I doubt it.

Trafalgar 7th May 2017 11:31

Increase x-wind limits...!! :eek: Many of them can barely land with 10kts. :ooh:

cxorcist 7th May 2017 22:57


Originally Posted by Trafalgar (Post 9763658)
Increase x-wind limits...!! :eek: Many of them can barely land with 10kts. :ooh:

Then why are they being signed to the line???

Trafalgar 7th May 2017 22:58

...I think you know the answer to that question :ooh:

cxorcist 8th May 2017 01:26


Originally Posted by Trafalgar (Post 9764126)
...I think you know the answer to that question :ooh:

Are you implying that CX is compromising safety for cheap pilots? Oh, the horror! That's inconceivable. Never at CX...

HH Chan 8th May 2017 03:44


Originally Posted by Trafalgar (Post 9763658)
Increase x-wind limits...!! :eek: Many of them can barely land with 10kts. :ooh:

Werent you once an FO? Why blame the winds...they have to start somewhere dude...

Trafalgar 8th May 2017 05:24

Cxorcist. Are you implying that someone with only 200 hours of 'actual' flying experience can't handle a max ldg wght 777300ER in a 25-38kt gusting crosswind? You sir are of little faith. Personally, I just close my eyes tightly and hang onto the armrests until the end of the controlled crash that usually results (<10kts). I then go and meet my wife and children who i've flown over on BA instead.

MENELAUS 8th May 2017 09:53

Well then Traf. If this is all such a trial for you, the answers in your bailiwick. Just f@ck off. Use BA btw.


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