Originally Posted by goathead
(Post 9721536)
For the benefit of Mcnugget and xwind and all other 3 yr old new joiners
When PW ( a past president ) was voted in he immediately resigned from being a trainer Thats integrity and not having a sandal in each camp. I appreciate (and agree with) your point. However, CB is nothing but a psychotic fraud who won't go away. Who do you work for again, CB? Oh yes, you won't say. Ps. Standing by for a long winded rant... |
No PW did mot immediately resign from c and t..took about 18 months.. hardly a short marching pace...
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Originally Posted by Betsy and Nikki
(Post 9721534)
Ironic :ugh:... you joined on C scale thinking you would get better terms and conditions later on in your career. Clearly you didn't do any research on the history between CX management and the AOA. Be grateful that you have a job and a steady income. But of course that is never enough for you young joiners, always fed with a silver spoon growing up and being impatient (I want, I want, I want now!)
Also, now you have the audacity to say that the TB is "screwing all the SOs and FOs" := when you accepted the C scale offer in the first place. Get real!! However, as an FO3, please do tell me where I'd make 115,000 a month, plus p-fund and allowances elsewhere. I reckon I've got m ear to the ground, but obviously you know best. Also - do advise me of which jobs out there I'm not qualified for. 4500hrs 777, 3000 right seat. 1700+ in GA. Batchelors and Masters degrees. I would love to hear all about it (again). While you're at it, a few yarns from your days in the military wouldn't go amiss. Oh, that's right, they would. |
Originally Posted by Betsy and Nikki
(Post 9721534)
Ironic :ugh:... you joined on C scale thinking you would get better terms and conditions later on in your career. Clearly you didn't do any research on the history between CX management and the AOA. Be grateful that you have a job and a steady income. But of course that is never enough for you young joiners, always fed with a silver spoon growing up and being impatient (I want, I want, I want now!)
Also, now you have the audacity to say that the TB is "screwing all the SOs and FOs" := when you accepted the C scale offer in the first place. Get real!! I wonder what the future holds. Any guesses? |
Anotherday. You say that freighter crew have the 'right' to quit CC. Huh? Although I appreciate they are particularly affected, it doesn't give them, or any other member, the 'right' to unilaterally quit CC. If they want to resign from the AOA first then certainly. There is no guarantee that each group would share the burden 'evenly'. The only answer to this dysfunctional industrial mess of an airline is to stick together and insist on proper terms and conditions.
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
(Post 9722228)
The only answer to this dysfunctional industrial mess of an airline is to stick together and insist on proper terms and conditions.
Or did you mean negotiate? STP |
Yes, that. :)
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Originally Posted by McNugget
(Post 9722140)
I didn't think I'd get better at all
Originally Posted by McNugget
(Post 9722145)
Strangely enough, I joined expecting better over time. The global market led me to such a conclusion. Funnily enough, that has happened.
Originally Posted by McNugget
(Post 9722140)
However, as an FO3, please do tell me where I'd make 115,000 a month, plus p-fund and allowances elsewhere. I reckon I've got m ear to the ground, but obviously you know best.
Also - do advise me of which jobs out there I'm not qualified for. 4500hrs 777, 3000 right seat. 1700+ in GA. Batchelors and Masters degrees. I would love to hear all about it (again). You must have joined after 2011 as someone who is now on FO3, had a short stint as an S/O (2yrs) compared to some others that were +4yrs. If you are not contempt with gaining experience from the right seat, earning a stable income, travelling the globe and simply being in a rush to get your Command rather than riding out the cycles that the aviation industry brings, then may I suggest that you go to other airlines that offer a quicker command. Maybe the ME as it's closer to home. :ok:
Originally Posted by McNugget
(Post 9722140)
While you're at it, a few yarns from your days in the military wouldn't go amiss.
Oh, that's right, they would. |
FO3 and 4500 hours? How do you figure?
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Originally Posted by Dragon69
(Post 9722447)
FO3 and 4500 hours? How do you figure?
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Originally Posted by McNugget
(Post 9722494)
6 and a bit years in. 3 years since jfo upgrade. May be a shade less. Haven't done my logbook tallies in a while, but the point I was making still stands.
3x900=2700 You can then exclude bunk time which is roughly 50%. 2700/2=1350. Let's round it up to 1500. |
Originally Posted by Dragon69
(Post 9722540)
Most airlines don't recognize SO time as you're technically not rated on type.
3x900=2700 You can then exclude bunk time which is roughly 50%. 2700/2=1350. Let's round it up to 1500. And no, my bunk time isn't anywhere near 50%. Glad you know my logbook better than me. Back to my point - what does my (lack of) experience preclude me from? What direct entry FO airline gigs require more than 5000+ total and 3 years right seat? |
I don't have to know your log book, unless you're fudging hours. In case you haven't figured it out Einstein it ain't difficult to figure out roughly your flying hour. Wasn't difficult to call BS on your inflated numbers.
And you have a Master's degree??? In what knitting?? |
This is depressing
Remember when guys joining Cathay all had minimum 4000-5000 hours? Now all we have are 0-to-hero McNuggets
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Originally Posted by SweepTheLeg
(Post 9722724)
Remember when guys joining Cathay all had minimum 4000-5000 hours? Now all we have are 0-to-hero McNuggets
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Well, yes, until it is. And sadly there are numerous events around the world every year where experience counts far beyond the 'automatics'. :mad:
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole
(Post 9722784)
Well, yes, until it is. And sadly there are numerous events around the world every year where experience counts far beyond the 'automatics'. :mad:
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Originally Posted by McNugget
(Post 9722806)
Correct. And many airlines, CX included, have a very long history of cadet pilots, while maintaining industry-leading safety records.
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any evidence to back that up besides your personal opinion
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Originally Posted by Natca
(Post 9722941)
The real question is what is the cost to benefit ratio.
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