Hong Kong new ATM system is 'safe'
 

Has anyone also heard about the FDP failure on July 31 on the new system?
Something about both FDPs crashing!?!?

Those people working there said the crash was normal.:ugh:

OK, you have my attention! This was a 'Normal' crash?
What's a crash thats not normal?, surely that IS a crash!

You meant the Automatic Teller Machine?

What is a FDP? Flight Duty Period?:confused:

Wait a minute FlyingMF.....new system??!! :=
It is a vintage system that company bought it with 1 dollar and sold to their loyal customer at 2 dollars.

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Seriously, a double failure! But the system passed the RAT, albeit with multiple 'observations'. What's going on?http://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/eek.gif:eek::eek:

Nothing is 'normal' about a system crash! Rules are broken, safety is compromised - what a joke

a classic example of "Normalisation of Deviance"!

Regulator, if they have, should step in.

SeeMyToe
 

The Senior Air Traffic Controller who was part of the 'Regulator', which itself is part of CAD, has been pointing out problems for some time from a Safety Management point of view. CAD replaced him. One of the controllers, who has been working on the new radar system since the beginning, voiced his concerns about the new system and controller training for it. He has been removed from the project team and back to the ATC complex for his trouble.

It is the synergy between man and machine that is involving the disconnect between the bipartisan and the conservatives that is the problem...this is right at grass route level!:ok:

Translation please?

STP

ATM
 

Let me try - controllers are used to recording their information on paper strips, the new system is all electronic involving selecting from a drop down menu, cross checking after you have picked from a bunch of similar figures and talking to the pilot at the same time, for the older controllers who did not use a computer until they are 30 plus it is a major strain on their brain power and processing ability thus affecting their ability to pack the traffic in and detect conflicting traffic in the sequencing. Some systems uses a planner to input and update data and a executive controller to talk to pilot. When you try to fly ten FMS, or even five, at the same time you will understand. There are many more problems that CAD dare not admit since the Government has been putting pressure on to place the system into operations ASAP knowing the present ATM system is way past its use by date.

When will the new FDP put in use? Is the system safe??

I am surprised that they are such afraid of safety. The regulatory setting, before I left, was very impermissible; they were already made either numb or blind. If rubber-made regulator said something this time, I would imagine something is very wrong happening. The vision of that place should be amended, safety is a slogan more than action. Sigh!

So what are left behind in the regulatory unit? Confirmed rubber?

The system is completely ok now, credit goes to the project team.

With the reports we have seen so far, ok means AllButLuck.

It is not safe because the guy, who ran away, wrote an unsafe user requirements.

Productive! One of them sends his lawsuit to blackmail us for money good enough to make this ATM system safer by 0.1 percent :}

Failures make Perfect
 

The more failures the machine promises to deliver, the less complacency their management have. India have given up this crappy machine and Dubai has already formed their new project team to buy a safer machine. :ok: Hkg is the only customer of this dangerous machine on earth.

One piece of advice to them: strengthen the system failure procedures :\