CX Pilot arrested at Heathrow for possession of knives
 

Pilot arrested at Heathrow for possession of knives | UK news | The Guardian

Hmm, those security chaps still haven't worked out that a pilot doesn't need a knife to crash an aircraft.

Seems like its got nothing to do with flying/crashing an aircraft. Just possession of a concealed weapon - plane and simple.....;)

Concealed weapon ? Really ?!!?

Thank goodness they caught him. It's not like he has unfettered access to a crowbar and the total trust of unsuspecting crew and passengers. A knife (or knives) totally changes the equation. Well done Heathrow!

Wait a second! That's not part of contract compliance! Maybe the LHR boys are more upset than previously thought about three man Europe. Is this illegal self help or was there a secret strike ballot authorizing carriage of weapons?

Concealed weapon ? Really ?!!?


well if he was waving a knife around I'd expect a different reaction/outcome .....

All joking aside if this is proven true he's a bloody idiot and will bring down a whole raft of pain on the rest of us. Transitting the security process at LHR, with the ferrets dressed in their SS Panzer Gruppe uniforms is onerous enough. It's surely going to get worse now. Just check the bloody things in; even if it's something as innocuous as a cheese knife this incident has no doubt made some jobsworths' day. And we don't need the extra attention on our profession right now.

Friend of mine was stopped by Chinese security when they spotted a fishing knife in his overnight bag , had been on fishing trip in Aus and forgot about it . He explained , said his fault and they just threw it in bin and wished him a safe flight .

I'm fairly certain the concerned individual wasn't dumb enough to have tried this. Not in LHR... At least I hope.

It's most likely a case of a forgotten item in the bag, or even a metal knife from the meal tray (those you couldn't cut mint jelly with) which slipped and fell in the flight bag.

Still, thanks to the greatest airport security team of them all for saving the day from this obviously dangerous maniac...
:hmm:

That's fine and dandy in a place where logic and common sense have any degree of existence. This is LHR staff security we're talking about. The ones taking your bag apart to confiscate and scold you about the deadly >125ml tube of toothpaste you nefariously tried to bring onboard while waving turban wearing ramp staff right through.

Excuse me but I wear a Leatherman on my belt about 360 days a year. So would this be an offence in the UK?

I obviously do not go through airport security with it. However, it has a been a pretty close call on a couple of occasions when locally flying here. I would just apologise and give it to the handling agent to walk it around security :cool:

Exascot, that could get you jail time in the UK. It's gone mad.

A few years ago, at Glasgow, I checked the suitcase, passed through security and went to the gate.
We didn't get on so, for some reason, had to go back and reclaim suitcase before checking in again.
Second time through security they found the Swiss Army knife which had, inadvertently, been in my handbaggage all the time. Security guy apologised for confiscating it. All over in seconds; no police involvement and off we went.

Working on a corporate jet now, i leave my swisstool in the cockpit, but i leave the holster on my belt.

Drives the gestapo insane!:ooh:

Only because it's got a locking blade. You'll be alright with a pen knife.

....good one..think I'll try that myself!!!maybe get a leather man top section just to make it more authentic!!

Best get rid of that fire axe on the flightdeck then.....:=

Offensive Weapons Information

Sections 139 and 139A of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 apply to any article which has a blade or point except a folding pocketknife unless the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 7.62 centimetres (3 inches).

The maximum penalty for these offences is a prison sentence of four years, or a fine, or both.

We are talking LHR here, you don't want to get caught with the terrible 20 by 25 cm OVERSIZE clear plastic bag !

Cathay Pacific pilot arrested over Heathrow knives find
 

Cathay Pacific pilot arrested over Heathrow knives find - BBC News


Thread already running here >>> http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...on-knives.html

Cathay pilot arrest
 

Just heard on the BBC midday news that a Cathay Pilot was arrested yesterday charged with carrying a knife. He is now released on bail.

I must say, I'm a little surprised by the indignation shown in some of these posts that the pilot was not at fault. I don't know why the article in question was in his luggage but the fact that security found it and acted, probably according to their SOP, should be applauded rather than scoffed at, IMHO. Or should we expect security staff to exercise discretion when it's us?

Steve, I don't think pilots should be let off - if, indeed, the item did fall within the banned size range.

Working for a B757 operator, we did our own engine oil check and replenishment. I had a flat screwdriver with the blade ground to fit nicely in the RD211 cowl flap. One day I was challenged by security but, when I explained, they let it through. I guess they could have confiscated it but they were sensible chaps.

Of course they should arrest him, throw him to the vultures!

It's not like he has an entire plane to crash into the nearest mountain if he wants to.... oh wait, that was done already....

(The irony is strong with this one...)

There is a lot more to this than meets the eye. The media is only telling half the story.

I think this is not about airport security.
The offences he was charged with by the police have nothing to do with airport security, but rather concealed weapons laws from 1953 and 1988.
If this makes it through court then the weapons he had are not a simple folding knife, or even something like a leatherman's tool.
Having moved to the UK recently, after living most of my life in the USA, I was a bit surprised to hear about "knife laws", so I read up on them, here's the best link I've found:
UK Knife Law- What you need to Know

Basically, if you have a reason to have a pocket knife, you're OK, but if you're carrying something that was clearly designed to inflict injury, you're going to jail.

Among the countless things I have carried through security unharmed, before and thankfully also post 9/11, were 2 knives with rather large blades, handmade by my grandfather, polished lacquered hardwood, inlaid with gold, I carried them around because I had just sent a container with all my belongings to a new base, and only kept what I deemed irreplaceable, family hairlooms, without thinking that it were knives (yes I was stressed and really didn't think). The security guy at [insert asian airport here, the kind of people who strictly follow procedures, and only care about face and other evil things] laughed out loud, and kept laughing all the way while he accompanied me, to let me put them in the hold. Maybe he exercised discretion, and in my humble opinion, he was a good guy, and he/she should be empowered to exercise that discretion with passengers, whether they are children who accidentally bring their liquid cough syrup, or heads of state (discretion is encouraged for them on flag carriers usually), or pilots who bring some silly yoghurt their better half wants them to eat to combat flatulence (been there done that). I can't see any evil in exercising discretion and making a judgement. For me, it's the kind of thing that makes my day, when someone goes the extra mile, and thinks while applying SOPs. That never brought an aircraft down. I'm not applauding the arrest of a pilot who carried some knife for now, until I know more details.

STP--I'm scoffing. A lot.

Even the US TSA--which is rightfully scoffed at from time to time--has some reasonability factor. A simple 'oops,' "please take away whatever I can't be trusted with" look into the situation a bit and press.

The irony of the mindless drones grabbing tools is priceless. And the tabloids lost no time in bringing up the German thing; something which has no relevance or connection whatsoever.

There are plenty of things which will always be present on any aircraft forever which can be used as a weapon if desired by a miscreant (or even a good guy defending against a miscreant)--as (if not more) effective than a knife or 'sharp object.' So throwing a pilot in jail--the same guy that would be FLYING the airplane--is silly. We used to carry our leathermans all the time; something that is sorely missed when a minor repair is needed.

In fact, in his excellent book "Fate is the Hunter" E.K. Gann refers to firearms that commercial pilots were required to carry when transporting the mail in the DC-3 days. Seems that people with responsibility were more trusted with tools and sharp objects not all that long ago. And there were good guys and bad guys then too.

Seems like the world I used to know went insane when I wasn't paying attention.

Flight delayed until next day due to no reserve crew?
 

Let's not overlook the pathetic fact that Cathay Pacific doesn't even have a pilot on reserve at its largest European base!

I've mentioned this before but...

I was flying regularly after September 11, short & long haul from LHR, LGW, MAN and BHX.

Most times I wore my hair up. The beak hair clip I used was 5-6 inches long, solid metal, pointed, and serrated. Similar to this, but plain and the 'blades' were serrated.

http://i01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/726/0...010726_402.jpg

In summary, what equates to two knives, hinged together.

Not once was it spotted or queried. Not. Once.
It didn't even set the metal detectors off. How?

I saw other women wearing similar clips, and I think I recall seeing them for sale airside too. It made a mockery of all the 'security precautions' that you could waltz through with something like that.:ugh:

@Shep69

So would you scoff at them charging a guy trying to get through airport security in, let's say, Honolulu using an ex-employer's ID because he can't be bothered to take his shoes off? Or should they have simply said, "Oops, sorry sir, even though the law says you're not allowed to do what you're doing we'll turn a blind eye this time because you seem like a nice chap"?

Knives - plural
 

We seem to have lost sight of the fact that all of the reports read Knives - yes that is plural. We're not talking about a Leatherman here but a set of knives. Perhaps a gift received or a stupid impulse purchase for someone at home -- and he thought that he would try to get through the gestapo. What'e the worst that could happen ? They will confiscate the knives. Wrong - stupid decision !

STP

Yup.

That is all.

darkroomsource
Possible.
However, a Metropolitan Police spokesman said:Not necessarily.

If convicted, an offender may receive an immediate custodial sentence.
The sentence imposed will depend (amongst other things) upon the nature of the item, the circumstances of the offence and the offender's antecedents.

STP,

No one is asking the security staff to turn a blind eye and let pilots go through with potential weapons.

But whatever happened to simply confiscating the item or even turning the chap back asking him to check it in? Does the police and sensationalist press really need to get involved?

Their jobs is to prevent any dangerous items from getting in the cabin, not to be imperious a$$holes about it.
It doesn't take many trips to LHR to understand that these idiots hate flight crews with a passion.

Having a set of chef's knives is very unlikely to result in this in the UK. It's a reasonable excuse to possess them if recently purchased and transporting them, and a pilot (or passenger) taking them home would be perfectly reasonable. So it could violate airport security rules, but not be an offence in general. IMO it was knives of another sort that didn't have an immediate reasonable explanation for possession, martial arts type items perhaps?

Relief Crew
 

Oval3Holer
IN actual fact, CX says that "Cathay Pacific were unable to organise a relief crew" as a reason for the overnight delay. It intimates that no relief crew was organised. It leaves open the possibility that the originally scheduled crew did the flight. After all the pilot in question was available on bail ---- and it would be much cheaper !

@Yonosoy Marinero

Without knowing the facts I can't really say what should or shouldn't have been done, despite my earlier statement regarding security staff SOPs. As yet we don't know the nature of the items, how they were concealed (if in fact they were), the pilot's reaction to the staff and so on. This may well have been an innocent mistake on the part of the pilot and I sincerely hope that it was. Whether he should have been arrested or not is perhaps a matter that Flying Lawyer would like to comment on? My original point was the apparent inconsistency that some have with their points of view depending on who we're dealing with, that's all.

Steve, you've just said what I was thinking. The security services have a job to do, and a knife is a prohibited article (apart from carrying one in a public place). Best wait and see what sort/size of knife it was.

@Basil
"Hmm, those security chaps still haven't worked out that a pilot doesn't need a knife to crash an aircraft."

Might it be an easier task eliminating "the other side"?

Oh the gestapo. As the old an very true saying goes, "rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools."