G & L day workers
 

Worrying development.

Someone's raised the bar and upped the ante.

Now you work on leave, not just G's

Wonder if this Fellow realise how tired he's getting and not using leave to chill n relax.

Nup- let's sell out recovery time and rest so as we can fly their jet.

The very fact he did this to me shows he is not sound for command.

There.

Maybe you haven't the faintest notion of his personal circumstances, maybe you jumping to conclusions and pre-judging a situation you know absolutely nothing about makes you unsuitable for Command…There

….and maybe not!!!!

It's nothing new. A Oz based chap worked L days about a year ago to help the company. :ugh:

We are not going to stop these guys doing it unless it becomes official AOA policy.

What would the sanction be if it were to become AOA policy and someone worked on a G day or when meant to be on leave? Expulsion from the Association I suppose? I guess then there'd be another non-AOA member who would continue to work on G days.

STP

Why do people have to wait for AOA policy. If you think working G or L days is not a good idea then don't. Grow a set.
Do you really think G day workers will follow AOA policy?

Yes. Nothing new. I was asked to operate an AKL flight a while ago on G days. The person who operated the flight was on her/his L too.

Expulsion from the Union, some public shamming, and social isolation seems highly appropriate to me.

Similar to how they dealt with scabs during the Spirit strike. :ok:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Z11L29BlA

Calm down mates, maybe this pilot's spouse is working for the PEOPLE department! :}

Why is it

We yell and scream about F/Os working G days, we take sectors off them, we make them do 10 hrs in the seat as punishment for being G Day workers.....
But if you're a skipper working G Days, and there are lots, including some turning up to do RHS PM, you're golden, there's no mention of how you happily pick up the g day callout and pat each other on the back in dispatch......

Just asking.......

Money aside, some work G Days so they can manipulate their roster to go see the kids their ex wife ran off with. Not always, but at times, no fault of their own. Why is it skippers are perfectly justified in working Gs to get time with their kids but heaven forbid if an F/O or an S/O did the same.

Just asking......

We are approaching a critical juncture and our actions will determine our future.

Sacrifice is going to be needed from all.

IF you worked G or L days in the past, it's time to take a few months off. If you answered your phone when you didn't have to it's time to take a few months off.

No doubt there will be increasing economic bonuses for working G and L days as the situation unfolds. These will go up as the situation becomes more difficult.

Ten years from now a few dollars made will be long spent. But everyone will remember who was selfish, who caved in, and who looked out for their friends and co-workers and was part of the team.

More importantly, one will have to live with the choices one makes--will one do the right thing, or will look back years later ashamed with chagrin at how easily one was bought and bribed during a time of trial requiring character ?

A few dollars is not worth your soul.

Why are the guilty ones also bleating on the AOA forums about same?

One word: hypocrisy

They aren't.

I suggest that a call to EASA on your next European stopover to mention that pilots are working on their leave days may well elicit some regulatory reaction... Leave is regarded as a vital part of the work/rest balance by EASA...:cool:

Exactly right!! The fact people are disturbed by CC on their leave is one thing however for pilots to actually accept a duty during their leave period is down right dangerous and a major breach in safety :ugh:

Think you'll find that under HK law you can work until you're dead, but other jurisdictions insist you fly by their rules in their airspace...:cool:

I believe it is 7 days annual leave actually under HK law initially then increasing to 14 days after 3 years:

http://www.labour.gov.hk/eng/public/...seGuide/04.pdf

Ref page 4.

In my opinion, it is always ok to work g days if it is to see your kids.
If under cc, maybe not, or clear with AOA first.

Why?

Because seeing your kids grow up is more important than money.

Yes, but now doing so deliberately undermines the ability for ALL of us to potentially have higher earnings in the long run...and consequently we can all not only 'see' our kids, but provide them with a better overall life. If you want to find self-justification for working a G, you and many other like you can always do so...but the end result is you ultimately hurt everyone around you.

ps. I have kids also. At some point you have to stand up for the overall betterment of your profession and colleagues.

Oasis,
Broadband,

Surely you guys are kidding?No?
If not, no need to negotiate with the company. Lost cause am afraid.
Work G-days to see your kids!!!!Unless you have hips of it, or you are screwing someone's roster or EFP to adjust you lifestyle. There's no good reason to work G's.

:ugh:

My kids need a father they can be proud of, not a scab IMHO. This is something they will remember.

We are facing a time of sacrifice and they will understand. It will build character so they can fight the good fight when they need to.

How many of our grandparents told us of times they caved in for a few bucks to take our father to Disneyland ? Or was it of how they did the right thing to forge a future for us ? Did they remember the bribes and buyoffs or the sacrifices and the strikes ?

How ashamed they would be--and rightly so-- to have a father who sold out for a few bucks.

Well said Shep. Spot on!

Shep69... I think they would be more ashamed of Dad with no job. Remember the 9'ers? What great advantage do you have that differs from the 99 sickouts?

Canonball 1
 

Would not want soldiers like you in the trenches with me. What happened to dying free man rather then working as a slave? You may just be from a generation that did not had to fight for anything.

Shep69 :ok:

Cannonball,

Are you insinuating that one could be sacked for not working a G day? Why would Shep not have a job? And even if he were fired, there is no shame in being the victim of random termination for "no particular reason."

A proffer is a totally different reason for working a G. It is helping out a colleague, not the company. You get better compensation and someone else ends up with your G day.

If any of those things are that important to you and you have not been able to get the time off, joker or leave for the wedding, then you are not fit to be flying anyway as your mind will not be on the job, it will be worrying about your mother/sick friend.

BySeaMail It's a matter of perspective... it is interesting that you identify with being a slave? You are already free! Slogans will never help you!

S*xorcist Your behaviour now will mark and follow you into the future. If things become heated history has shown who go's out the door first. Specifically to those with kids... they are dependent on you and people should think of them before risking their job and career. You will never win a true heated battle with management unless you are willing to walk today and go somewhere else. The ultimate freedom.

Time for your drinks with tonytylor, Cannonball.

You two are cheap knockoffs just like those watches on Nathan Road in TST.

Please come back the Management.

Exorcist I sense an inbuilt authoritarian character trying to break out of you. You may not like my point of view but I am no TST remake. I am the genuine Swiss article. :=

It would be funnier if your name was cannonball run.

Working on G days to try to help out someone or spend more time with kids... Right... Ok you might have a point. But working in the middle of your leave and over easter weekend no less is just above and beyond. Thats more like avoiding to spend time with your family. Was really hoping for the said flight to encounter significant delays due to crew shortage and make the company sweat a bit. Too bad. Lost opportunity.

I am sure that although they don't feel shame, the 49ers were no doubt put through hell and if for one moment you are implying that being terminated for no particular reason is no big deal then you're clearly not using your brain.

geh065 Well said!

Fac6 You are correct... I have thousands of hours on 3 types of wide body jets. You may wish to consider where and under what pay conditions that new job will be! And again slogans get you nothing, they are the dreams of silly men... It is a silly way to show 'backbone'. Sounds like you spent time in a socialist alternative student union... "one ball" LOL.

All I'm saying is that it shouldn't be black or white.

If I happen to be divorced and my kids are overseas, I'm going to be flexible with my roster to suit my needs and those of my kids.
More money won't make me a better father, being there when I can is.

This is not a captain vs fo issue, just that we live different lives and there are often valid reasons for the choices we make.

What are we talking about anyway, there is absolutely no mandate from the AOA prohibiting anyone from working on a g day or on leave.

I have never worked on a g or leave day, except when I diverted due to a typhoon. That was in my best interest, but I don't think that applies to everyone.

My point was that CC f*cks over anyone who needs to commute. Obviously if you have family in Hkg you're all for CC since it doesn't mess with your life in the slightest.
Of course you're going to beat your chest and say "bring on CC, I'll take the pain brothers........"
Likewise if your going to harass the f/o for working G days, leave him in the seat for 10 hrs etc etc eventually maybe he won't answer his phone on days off. But there's no penalty for the skipper working G days. And once again there's no penalty for one group but lots for another. Did someone on here say skippers don't work G days? Thank you, I needed a laugh.
Any coincidence that the guys pushing for CC are the guys who will tell you in the same sentence they've made enough working for cx that they could quit tomorrow.
The cx pilot body has about as much unity as a dropped bucket of marbles........
Fortunately the AOA GC knows this.
Unfortunately so does the company.

Another Day,

CC may (or may not) be problematic for commuters, but if we're to ever get a gain, then there will be some short term pain. Grow a pair.
I too am a commuter.

Well said curtains I don't always agree with everything that you say , but in this case you have got it exactly right .