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G & L day workers

Old 26th Apr 2014, 18:02
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G & L day workers

Worrying development.

Someone's raised the bar and upped the ante.

Now you work on leave, not just G's

Wonder if this Fellow realise how tired he's getting and not using leave to chill n relax.

Nup- let's sell out recovery time and rest so as we can fly their jet.

The very fact he did this to me shows he is not sound for command.

There.
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 20:29
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Maybe you haven't the faintest notion of his personal circumstances, maybe you jumping to conclusions and pre-judging a situation you know absolutely nothing about makes you unsuitable for Command…There
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Old 26th Apr 2014, 21:48
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….and maybe not!!!!
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 00:31
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It's nothing new. A Oz based chap worked L days about a year ago to help the company.

We are not going to stop these guys doing it unless it becomes official AOA policy.
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 01:54
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We are not going to stop these guys doing it unless it becomes official AOA policy.
What would the sanction be if it were to become AOA policy and someone worked on a G day or when meant to be on leave? Expulsion from the Association I suppose? I guess then there'd be another non-AOA member who would continue to work on G days.

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Old 27th Apr 2014, 03:31
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Why do people have to wait for AOA policy. If you think working G or L days is not a good idea then don't. Grow a set.
Do you really think G day workers will follow AOA policy?
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 03:44
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Yes. Nothing new. I was asked to operate an AKL flight a while ago on G days. The person who operated the flight was on her/his L too.
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Old 27th Apr 2014, 06:25
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Expulsion from the Union, some public shamming, and social isolation seems highly appropriate to me.

Similar to how they dealt with scabs during the Spirit strike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Z11L29BlA
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Old 2nd May 2014, 16:36
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Calm down mates, maybe this pilot's spouse is working for the PEOPLE department!
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Old 5th May 2014, 01:56
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Why is it

We yell and scream about F/Os working G days, we take sectors off them, we make them do 10 hrs in the seat as punishment for being G Day workers.....
But if you're a skipper working G Days, and there are lots, including some turning up to do RHS PM, you're golden, there's no mention of how you happily pick up the g day callout and pat each other on the back in dispatch......

Just asking.......

Money aside, some work G Days so they can manipulate their roster to go see the kids their ex wife ran off with. Not always, but at times, no fault of their own. Why is it skippers are perfectly justified in working Gs to get time with their kids but heaven forbid if an F/O or an S/O did the same.

Just asking......
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Old 5th May 2014, 02:20
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We are approaching a critical juncture and our actions will determine our future.

Sacrifice is going to be needed from all.

IF you worked G or L days in the past, it's time to take a few months off. If you answered your phone when you didn't have to it's time to take a few months off.

No doubt there will be increasing economic bonuses for working G and L days as the situation unfolds. These will go up as the situation becomes more difficult.

Ten years from now a few dollars made will be long spent. But everyone will remember who was selfish, who caved in, and who looked out for their friends and co-workers and was part of the team.

More importantly, one will have to live with the choices one makes--will one do the right thing, or will look back years later ashamed with chagrin at how easily one was bought and bribed during a time of trial requiring character ?

A few dollars is not worth your soul.
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Old 5th May 2014, 02:20
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Why are the guilty ones also bleating on the AOA forums about same?
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Old 5th May 2014, 02:42
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One word: hypocrisy
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Old 5th May 2014, 03:38
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Why is it skippers are perfectly justified in working Gs to get time with their kids but heaven forbid if an F/O or an S/O did the same.
They aren't.
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Old 5th May 2014, 09:32
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I suggest that a call to EASA on your next European stopover to mention that pilots are working on their leave days may well elicit some regulatory reaction... Leave is regarded as a vital part of the work/rest balance by EASA...
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Old 5th May 2014, 09:45
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I suggest that a call to EASA on your next European stopover to mention that pilots are working on their leave days may well elicit some regulatory reaction... Leave is regarded as a vital part of the work/rest balance by EASA...
Exactly right!! The fact people are disturbed by CC on their leave is one thing however for pilots to actually accept a duty during their leave period is down right dangerous and a major breach in safety
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Old 5th May 2014, 18:40
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Think you'll find that under HK law you can work until you're dead, but other jurisdictions insist you fly by their rules in their airspace...
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Old 6th May 2014, 01:10
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I believe it is 7 days annual leave actually under HK law initially then increasing to 14 days after 3 years:

http://www.labour.gov.hk/eng/public/...seGuide/04.pdf

Ref page 4.
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Old 6th May 2014, 02:47
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In my opinion, it is always ok to work g days if it is to see your kids.
If under cc, maybe not, or clear with AOA first.

Why?

Because seeing your kids grow up is more important than money.
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Old 6th May 2014, 03:05
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Yes, but now doing so deliberately undermines the ability for ALL of us to potentially have higher earnings in the long run...and consequently we can all not only 'see' our kids, but provide them with a better overall life. If you want to find self-justification for working a G, you and many other like you can always do so...but the end result is you ultimately hurt everyone around you.

ps. I have kids also. At some point you have to stand up for the overall betterment of your profession and colleagues.
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