My take is a MASS RESIGNATION from the HKAOA is exactly what is required right now to send a very clear message to the GC ..... the more that do the more they will get it .I mean lets face it , if you agree that they have crossed the line with this insult , there IS NO other choice . Why ignore 94% ???
They have baked there own cake , its the end of the road as far as Im concerned.

Then what Goathead? Are you going to go in and negotiate a 40% raise for us all? Seriously get a grip people! You guys remind of recess at kindergarten.

The AOA Canada reminded me of the same thing a while ago.
No ones going to go and negotiate us a 40 % increase what planet are you from , oh I see , your Canadian.

BAD IDEA
 

Open-slather naming & shaming is a very dangerous path. (No, I'm not management). As much as I hate the G day worker brigade, the risk of an incorrect accusation being levelled at an innocent individual is too high IMHO. Once a name is in the public domain, it takes a hell of a lot of retractions or evidence of innocence to clear that person's record. As an example, there were a few people wrongly accused of working in Australia in '89. Have all of them had their names cleared, both on the official record and in the minds of heir colleagues?


The "mutual exchange" system is grossly biased in the company's favour, but still pilots do swaps everyday. Just because someone had a G on their published roster today, doesn't mean they hadn't swapped it to help a friend. Maybe that friend could actually be making roster adjustments to make their life better. They might want the day off for their wife's / children's birthdays etc, requested it but did not get it.

I guess that everyone here who's called for a name and shame campaign won't work G days. Fair enough, I don't either. But I genuinely ask all of you how you would feel, as a staunch non-worker, if you were wrongly named and shamed. I know I'd be devastated.

Bad idea......

You boys can jerk off all you want, yes it's disappointing in the extreme but what else did you expect from them????

Come on, you really expected CX to give you a big pay rise now????

Let's face it fellas, CX is still the best gig in town and you know it.

So shut up and let the GC to the job they are not paid to do.

If you think you can do better then STEP UP.

I for one WILL NOT BE WALKING FROM CX, now or ever until I can afford to retire. If you wish to join China Southern then go.

Oh and by the way, I haven't worked a G day in over 10 years and don't plan to, we don't need to be told to work to our contracts do we?

Sorry Goathead I guess you didn't understand that I was being facetious. This is what facetious means.

fa•ce•tious (fəˈsi ʃəs)
1. not meant to be taken seriously or literally: a facetious remark.
2. amusing; humorous.
3. lacking serious intent: a facetious person.

The serious part of the question is "Then what?"

This is a serious question to you and anyone else that thinks leaving the AOA is the solution.

You say mass resignation from the HKAOA so that the GC will get it?

If you have mass resignations there is no more HKAOA and therefore no more GC or NC. If that happens I believe we will find the true bottom threshold of our package until people start to leave.

It's easy to spot the problems, but try coming up with a better solution than resignation.

As broken as it may seem it really is all we have so we need to leave the errors in the past a move forward with what we have now.

Like everyone I was furious at the AOA. I have decided, after much thought and 24yrs in the AOA, that I will wait until the January talks outcome and then decide to resign or not. As usual I will continue my CC that I have been doing for 15 yrs now.
The CAD informed the top C&T guys 2 months ago that the new FTL's will be part of a package deal in to come out in January. This information was forwarded to the GC of the AOA.

Excuse my ignorance, but doesn't CX require Sick Certs to back up sick leave?
In my experience HK doctors won't give Certs out so easy. I've been through this - had fevers so bad I couldn't get out of bed, but when I finally got to a doctor I was refused Certs for the days I was too ill to visit. They won't give a cert if they haven't seen you.
On another occasion I went to a doc when I started getting the onset symptoms of one of those HK fevers I've become all too familiar with. She would give me 2 sick days and no more. When I asked why she told me she'd be reported to the HK Medical Board by my employer if she gave me any more.
I bet CX have company drs too, who can make house calls, just to catch the malingerers?
Your proposal is unworkable in a mass sick out. You'll get no cooperation from the medics.

I gave a reference to OPSA for him but deleted it after I realized he was not in CX.

I can easily get a copy. I have friends everywhere.
So post away.
Are you referring to self certification, or some more obscure barrack room lawyer angle?
By the way - if you don't want others noticing your posts - why post on a public website? Don't you have private forums? Some people might find this all too tedious.

Killaroo
 

Why don't you utilise your friends, and look it up then?

In short, the scenarios you describe/have experienced would not be applicable. The fact that they are in your outfit (assuming you're a pilot) is utterly atrocious.

Eggraid
Fair enough , apologise for overzealousness.This turnabout from the GC is just another one of there about turns in the face of the majorities wishes .....need I have to repeat them here.
Thats it for me , she's cheated on me before , a second time , no f**k her , thats it . Sorry confidence lost. End of story. Sayonara AOA .
How many times are you/ we going to be treated like this , no more for me . My message to the GC is , No more.Ill take my 12k pay rise .

Whatever happens in the January "talks".... They have to get rid of the backdating to JAN 14 bullsh1t.

YES.

The AOA is a tool the company uses to control the pilots. By a mass resignation, it shows people ready to action. The first step. It will indeed get their attention.

Destroying the union to hurt management, now this really sounds like a very reasonable strategy.

you .. like most others in the AOA, have ZERO idea on how to negotiate.

You mean - having to produce a Sick Cert?
I've worked in a couple of airlines, including majors, and a Sick Cert is required in all of them, bar a few days self certified (where you may receive a company doctor visit). If you think that's atrocious you must live in a bubble, and I'm really keen to check your OMA now to read all about it.
By the way - the system I work under is approved by the CAD. The same one that approves your own OMA.

No bubble here, sir.

Read away, and let me know if I'm mistaken.

Doctor visit? Jesus Christ. Are you required to answer the phone to arrange it, or answer the door?

Sounds entirely cynical if you ask me - policing rather than well being.

Well, in my euro major i never got that visit - but then I was not a malingerer.
In Hong Kong, given that local drs never do house calls, a company doctor might be the only assistance you'll get, and I'd welcome it (cos I'm still not a malingerer). The only alternative (I'm told) is to call an ambulance, and I draw the line at that personally.