Here we go again..........

I'll stay as long as I damn well 'need to' and I'd expect that in 20 years you'll do the same thing.

I'm sick to death of these young wet behind the Ears types moaning about their senior peers, just nick off and wait ya turn like I had to do for around 13 years as an FO.........

:mad:

Climbout - I don't think it is hard at all to find what you are referring to as "old and overestimated". Just about every airline in the world has guys working to 65, and all of them approaching that age who are honest with themselves will admit that their best days are behind them. That does not mean they cannot still be great captains and try to stuff a few more dollars under the mattress for retirement. That said, we do have some CRM issues at CX.

Gerago - Are you willing to bet 300+ lives on that claim of yours when the typhoon flags are flying in the Fragrant Harbour? I'm not so confident having seen quite a few low-time cadet FOs at the wheel. They don't have a 10kt crosswind limit for no reason.

I see the N-sync hair gelled skateboard set have come out of their box once again, interestingly just prior to the start of the typhoon season when their lack of skill set comes to the fore. Perhaps it is because we haven't had a good blow for a few years that they feel empowered. Perhaps it is a case of amnesia, but I have yet to forget the stuttered radio calls from the right hand seat as "motormouth" got out of his comfort zone. He was then found in the gaybar that same night boasting how we got in but others failed. Tool.
Anyone can fly an ILS in good wx, but that don't make you Yeager.

Yeah right. Just waited for the quality argument. Like, I can't retire, the airline needs my experience and superior skills, it is not about me and my boring life of nothing that awaits me when I have to return my personality( =uniform), I just feel so responsible to continue to save these hundreds of lives..

Geriatric fools, that 's what you are. I would say " get a life" normally, but clearly it is a bit late for that, isn't it?

We have the most experienced Senior First Officers on the planet,for christs sake.

Yes maybe if you forget UA, BA, AA, QF NZ, LH, AF etc we might just have the most experienced FO's on the Planet!!!

I wasn't a Captain all my life you know, basically 15 years in the right seat, 8 of that as a Senior FO relief command on the 400 'waiting' for my turn. So I'm sorry to burst your 'must have it now' bubble but you are going to have to LIVE WITH IT.:* you ain't the first.

The reason you only spent 8 years as RQ FO was because of expansion and RA55.

Today's RQ FO's will be there much longer now that you're a captain with RA65, and probable reductions. I know you don't care and you think you're great and special and entitled. Don't ask yourself why you drink beer without the rest of the crew, except for the sycophants and intimidated youngsters.

I think your Iron fell out of the Fire mate.:D

Have you heard of ASL? That little fiasco cost me and others 100 command slots, not to mention CX started to extend guys beyond 55 on contract. Yes been there, sent the postcard bud. :ok:
15 years and 3 different Airlines before I managed the seniority for the left seat. You didn't see me bitching about my poor rotten life...:ugh:

me me me.

Is that the theme song of some of our FO's? Just settle down, you'll get your turn soon enough.

I will admit to cringing each time I see some of our 65+ Sim instructors that still need to work!!

Oh, and the guys I had drinks and dinner with last week sure looked like my fellow crew members!! :ok:

I've never said ''my experience is needed".........not once, didn't even imply it.


However as a relatively youngish chap I've still got many years ahead of me. All I'm trying to do is point out that not all of us walked into the left seat, we mostly had to walk the yards first. :ok:

It took me quite a few years and nearly 40 years old to achieve command and you ain't getting rid of me yet!!


Exactly how many of our experienced FO's had Jet commands before CX? Not too many I'd venture. I know a few SO's and FO's in Qantas that had Jet Commands before QF, would you like to switch places with them now???

711,

You sound like a brat! Could you really be 46? If so, you are an embarrassment to our generation. Please stop.

The extension from RA 55 to RA 65 did cost me and hundreds of FO's in CX millions. Fact. The golden generation did nothing to compensate us, absolutely nothing. And now, as this wasn't enough, RA even beyond 65.

I say : shame on you, CXorcist,and on all your fellow greedy, selfish, cynical friends.
Be once honest to yourself and admit the burden on Senior First Officers. Arguing with taifuns closing in and only the most senior of captains able to fight bravely thru it is just so cynical and ridiculous, and you know it.Seeing a colleague, left hand seat experience and thousands of heavy jet time as a brat shows your true colours.

Yawn...... :confused:

Mate I'm a B scaler and I'm not by any stretch of the imagination rich......

I took hits over the years like you have, been there done that. :{

You are not the first ones to be screwed over by CX and you won't be the last. :oh:

What about the fact that you can now stay up to 10 more years at probably the top increment on the CN scale??? That is worth millions back to you potentially.
( 17 Million HKD approx, without PF OR housing OR 13th month )
Surely that must help a bit???

nipicker, let me guess, you got your command after 5 ish years in CX?
The lack of honesty in this thread is appaling.

711, that's where you should probably be working. You castigate others for taking advantage of something that YOU yourself will take advantage of when you can. Hypocrite of the highest order. Now, pour me my 'Big Gulp'....

It is not about accepting extension, of course that is legit. But to argue it is about superior skills needed, that stupid brat first officers do not have, albeit the fact that the senior first officers in this company are the most experienced in the industry is outrageous and dishonest.

No 711 I didn't. If you care to re read my previous posts.

I took nearly 9 years as an FO in CX to get CN.
15 years as an FO in total.
21 years as a Professional Pilot to get CN on anything bigger than a PA 31.:p

Screwed by ASL and other events in my life that moved the goal posts!!!

You are not the first to have the playing field adjusted in their career!!

So, accept it as **** happens and move on OR FIND ANOTHER JOB. :ok:

Oh and I have quite a few friends that are SFO's and they are some of the best operators I've ever had the privilege of working with. :ok: they will deserve their commands when they happen. I don't hear them bitching about those of us that just happened to be a little older and got here first!!

Get real!
 

Personally,I can't understand what all the fuss is about.Wether someone decides to (legitametly) take advantage of working a few extra years (& why not!) all this stupid talk of " get a life" etc- usually from someone who obviously is either in the wrong job or with the wrong outfit( they think).
Where ,in aviation, does it stipulate that you should " give way" to younger chaps? Do doctors & lawyers etc do the same? No bloody way! Its " dog eat dog" I' m afraid so get used to it!!
Anyway, "flak-jacket on" xxx

Again and again and again:

Is NOT about accepting an offer to work longer ( at least until 65),

it is about the INSULTING,CYNICAL, and RIDICOLOUS argument, that it is in the interest of safety to work longer because senior officers in CX are not ready ( after 20 years plus in the industry..) For the love of Jesus Christ..:mad:

711. get-a-life.com have a read

great debating skills, water check.from oz?

Yes, the vast majority of our senior first officers are top notch....

But not all of them....some, as can be seen on this thread, like to talk about their self-perceived skills and pound their chest.

Most of our skippers are top blokes. But a small number can give the rest a bad name.

Bottom line is....until you aquire the appropriate experience (in a big airplane...not a tiny one) and until you demonstrate your competence by successfully completing the command course (in a big airplane...not a tiny one) your crosswind limt remains 10kts/15 kts.

Nuff said......