Why bother
 

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You read them for the same reason as everyone else - it's somewhere you can get things off your chest, have an argument without having a domestic dispute, have a bit of a laugh and, from time to time, read a compelling, incisive, intelligent, well-structured post, not necessarily on industrial matters from our myopic point of view.

It's social networking under a different guise, the twist being that you might be having a serious difference of opinion with one of your best friends without even knowing it.

No-one's going to change the world here and it's highly unlikely that anyone will change another's point of view, although a reasoned argument might make someone take time to reflect on his or her position and make them think why they take that position - is it a firmly held belief or simply going along with the crowd?

That's why you read them.

Not only that, from time to time you get the chance to improve your English. Now, unless you read another forum on this site, your last post really should have said, "I don't know why I even read this forum..." i.e the singular. If you do read elsewhere on the site, some might argue that fora would, strictly speaking, be correct. However, I disagree and think that in modern English, forums is perfectly acceptable, so well done, go to the top of the class.

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Or even past subjunctive.................

OK Steve, points well made. Even at my age I am happy to learn, or more accurately re-learn, my lessons.

spot on Steve

......bugger....I forgot an upper case s in spot

Love it!

It's not "upper case", it's "capital". There are lower case letters and capital letters...

And of course a full stop (or period) at the end!

And don't start a sentance with and.

surely you mean sentence

The vagrancies of the language..
 

jed is correct.

And is a word you shouldn't start a sentence with.

With is a word you shouldn't end a sentence with.

But (which, being a conjunction, is a word you shouldn't really start a sentence with either) back to the thread, I'm not going to tell anyone what I'm thinking otherwise I'll just exasperate the situation.

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Steve, I'll say it for you. If the FF forum has devolved into a pedantic language class then all must be well in the land of the Red Army.

Or is it? Has the company's technique of lowering expectations and then fulfilling them succeeded with the majority?

Even the average number of posters on line seems to have dropped.

What we need is another good reason to post! A streak down The Street perhaps?

Good point moosp. On this particular thread, however, I think that most people are taking the advice of earlier posters and keeping their opinions either to themselves or discussing them where they should be discussed, namely the AOA forum.

As for the number of posts dropping, who knows? Maybe there's nothing particularly topical to chat about or people are exhausted by the discussions on the A380 versus the 747-8i or global warming.

Whatever the reason, I'm sure normal service will resume as soon as someone makes either an honest stuff up or a suggestion which might go against conventional wisdom.

As far as streaking down The Street goes forget it - it's far too cold!

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Is 'Spot on Steve' any relation to 'Seasick Steve' the blues guitarist featured at the Glastonbury Music Festival last year?

Just thought its worth walking down memory lane and thinking about all those deals that we were involved in. The offers only deteriorate and generally the first one is the best. I am fully supportive of getting what you can now and try to negotiate for more later.
I'm not sure how effective CC is as there will always be some who will not comply & what's to stop the company from chartering external companies which they have done before. Makes sense to approach this with a 'get what you can attitude' as benefits have been and will continue to deteriorate, Look at what they have come out with - 'C scale'!

My opinion on CC is that those who are going to do it, already are, and those who will not, will never. You can make the call for official CC, but I doubt it really changes the sums WRT crewing numbers, etc. The good thing is the more who do it daily put staffing pressure on the company, and perhaps in turn will begin improving conditions from the ground up.

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Pay Negotiations Status
 

What is the status of the CX pay Negotiations??

Is it a finished chapter or when is it expected to be a done deal?

I was kind of hoping they would consider hiring some DEFOs after they were done :E

Wishful thinking my friend! Don't get me wrong I'm in the same boat, but I think there is more than just pay talks keeping CX from recruiting again. Cadet Program (cough, cough).:mad:

One can always hope they need somebody with a little more experience for DEFO on base hiring :E

Maybe if we are lucky CX will find the time to atleast clean the DEFO pool amidst all the cadet training :}

Sure, except for the simple fact that there are probably hundreds of us already here who want to have a base. Will be interesting to see if they are able to hit their crewing requirements in the next couple of years.

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Don't understand why they haven't opened any FO positions up on base yet (NA). A friend of mine claimed they were busy and would definately need to hire on base shortly. Is he full of it?

So does anybody have an answer to my question?

It looks like the January payslips don't include the pay-rise. I wonder if they'll retroactively pay the January raise if this motion passes?

Yes:
https://www.hkaoa.org/