Pay Talks on 13th Dec
 

So...

Does anyone know how they went? Nothing on AOA site either.

Thanks.

When we get updates, let's keep it out of he public domain please guys.

It's OUR business, not for the trolls.

The AOA website will provide updates in due course. No news is GOOD news.

Undies
 

Ergo...
No Payrise is a GOOD payrise:cool:

Excellent advice from Cpt Underpants

Let's keep this to the AOA forums only.



okm,

If you read the AOA forums & updates your answer lies in there.

I'm sure there will be a news blackout until after the negotiations are complete. Neither group wants to negotiate in the public eye.

That being said, I'm as anxious as everyone else about hearing some news. I honestly don't think that it will be good news though.

Cap'n Undies - spot on.
Agreed, nothing on this site for the freeloaders and journos to read.
AOA forum and updates are just fine for the correct latest info.
Not a member? - tough!

Impasse again ?!

Ladies and Gentlemen



SALARY NEGOTIATIONS UPDATE



As you are aware, we have been in salary negotiations all of this week. AOA Australia, AOA Canada and the HKAOA were all separately represented during the negotiations, and an independent Bargaining Representative from Australia was also present.



The talks have been constructive and this morning the Company presented an offer in response to the proposals presented by your Associations.



After several hours of detailed study and further negotiations, your Negotiating team was able to accept the Company's offer, which will now be presented to the three General Committees with a recommendation for acceptance. It will take some time, but hopefully not too long, for the respective GC's to decide on the recommendation from the Negotiating Team, after which the membership will be asked to vote on the offer.



More, detailed information will be circulated to you as soon as possible.



Thank you all for your patience over the past few months since we first submitted our proposals on salary increases.



John Findlay

Assistant General Secretary Professional

for and of behalf of the Negotiating Team for

AOA Australia, AOA Canada and the HKAOA



17 December 2010.

Thrust IS A WOMBAT and G day worker.:ugh:

I thought a little professionalism would have been shown here? Obviously not!

Thrust,

You're an effing moron.

Sincerely,

Someone who hates you

tit for tat
 

I just told Thrust's kids there's no Santa Claus

No wonder we can never show the "united front" to the company. This is truly a disgrace and I hope you "Thrust" (or maybe"No Thrust" or Anti-Trust" would be better!) feels better.
:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Thrust, what did you hope to achieve by posting essentially classified information on a public forum? Was it for the benefit of those free-loading non-AOA members out there? :ugh:

Internal communications, whatever the source, are not for general viewing.

I hope you apply more thought and intelligence to your operation because both are lacking in abundance here!

Everyone take a deep breath and relax.....

I'll save you all the suspense. It is a ****ty deal and it will either be rejected (doubt it) or more likely sugar-coated to make it go down easier.

The tone of the DFO update on Friday should give you a hint that it is a very meager offer.

Anyway, Raven said it best, everyone just chill a bit. :ok:

Wouldn't it be ironic?
 

5 - 4 - 3?

Thrust:

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x...tfu67pieb7.gif

Fac, what part of 'shut your gob' don't you understand...? Just wait for the details, and THEN offer your wisdom. If it's a crap offer, i'll join you in throwing brickbats, but why even comment until we've seen the details? :ugh:

Yep, there's definately something fishy about it if it's taking this long for them to make up their mind about it. The longer it takes, the more obvious it will become. Sadly, our golden chance to negotiate with the only language they undertand over the busy holidays is very quickly passing by. Think about it... How do the other work groups here ever get anything they want? Is it ever via anything other than hardball language (action)? Nope. Why would we expect anything different? Do we think we're special? They certainly don't.

Their minds have been made up, they are just taking a little time to write the explanation and newsletter that comes with the raw facts of the deal.

It took them a day a to make up their minds (Friday-Saturday) but so far a week to explain the deal? Just put out the raw facts and let the explanation follow.

Agreed, our biggest bargaining tool is (was) the Christmas travel season. CC won't have nearly the same effect after the holidays. :ugh:

With respect F10, going CC during the holidays would be an absolute PR disaster. The travelling public will know that all the crews, and groundstaff, are working their butts off to get them home to their families after the UK wx dramas. Take the brownies for that and keep your powder dry for a more appropriate occasion where families aren't directly inconvenienced.

Anyway I am very confident that we will get such a stunning surprise that the words CC will be deleted from our CX dictionary eh? :}

Come on guys....just let us know the offer already....

To the GC: Fellas, it has now been almost a week. Plenty of time to tidy up any loose ends. You can't expect the members to remain patient much longer. We have a right (yes, right) to hear the details. If something is not out by Thursday you risk a rising backlash. It doesn't matter what your reasons are for the holdup, it has now been almost a week....enough. Send us a breakdown of the offer. We are all grownups and can make up our own mind on what to think.

There is no excuse for this delay or lack of communication from the GC.
I am beginning to lose confidence in them.

They are out buying their Christmas hats :ok: :}

just popping out to get the SCMP, probably going to find out more there!

jeez boys, the offer was made on a friday + the holidays + these guys are doing this on their TIME OFF! I want to know too but cut them some slack. It should be out by today anyway.

Any guesses?
 

Ok, I'll go with:

1. 5% and 4% rise in base pay in 2011/12 respectively, with
2. 2% rise in HDP for same period, in return for:

ANOTHER "one off" option to switch to COS08(11??) for RA65.

Any advances on this?!?
:uhoh:

34% payrise and another 25% on top of that due to the productivity increases that the CAD were paid to bring in, in CAD 371.

Its out, check your email my fellow members....

can't wait ...
 

for the first moron to post the AOA Pay offer update on pprune.

Don't post any details here. Keep the non-members in the dark!! :E

....just had a look.....words fail me....

HKAOA pay offer
 

don't post anything...don't post anything...don't post anything...
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Absolutely. Please don't post any details.

And let's not start slagging off the AOA. This is a 100% more than we would have got without an association. Our fellow pilots have tried their best.....and all of it in their spare time. Thanks for trying.

That said, I'm not surprised at the offer. This is how much the company values us. Same team, different dream.