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CXtreme 4th Oct 2009 15:58

5 weeks in court
 
5 weeks in high court defending the goal against 18 strikers, when you know your defence is weak!!!
Somebody is going to come back as an old, tired man. All that bonus money and to sick to enjoy it.

Red Hot Poker 4th Oct 2009 16:22

Strikers?
They were co-workers that should not have been fired.
I read your post 5 times and do not understand it, you need to write in much simpler language, for me to understand.

broadband circuit 4th Oct 2009 18:51

Football expression
 
I think you'll find it is a football expression. "Defending the goal" gives it away. Strikers are the players that try to score the goals.

Maybe not the best metaphor for the situation?

CXtreme 5th Oct 2009 02:40

At least broadband get it. Don't they have the same players in ice hockey, goal keeper and defenders for the oppisition, strikers for the team with the ball / puck??

I paid 5% towards those strikers, and I hope everyone of them score a goal.

mr Q 5th Oct 2009 10:41

Does This Mean Anything Red Hot Poker???
 
10:00 am

法庭聆訊

Open Court
雜項案件

HCMP 4400/2001, HCA 2822/2002, HCA 299/2006, HCA 1405/2006, HCA 807/2007

[2/30]#
Bennett Richard David, Blakeney-Williams Campbell Richard, Bulteel Steven James, Carver Kenneth Gordon, Chung Kai Wan, Doherty Patrick James, England Gregory Stephen, Fitz-Costa Michael John, Harris Bradford Dean, Heron Quentin James Lee, Palmer Michael Gordon, Schoettler Bruce Michael, Searle Andrew David, Shaw Michael Steven, Urquhart Steven Aubury, Van Poelgeest Craig Dirk, Warham John Simpson, Wilson Brett Alexander, Boyle Ron, Middlemass Duncan Raymond, Munro Keith Ian, Rogers Mathew David, St Hill Philip Fraser, Damon Neich-Buckley, Hendrik Van Keulen, Brian David Keene, Pierre Joseph Roger Morissette, Craig Michael Young, John Wallace Dickie, Douglas Gage, Christopher Leo Sweeney and George Crofts

And

Cathay Pacific Airways Limited, Veta Limited, USA Basing Limited
Breach of employment contract
趙司徒鄭律師事務所

Chiu, Szeto & Cheng

孖士打律師行

Basil 5th Oct 2009 10:58

RHP,
to sick = too sick
At least broadband get it. = At least broadband got it.
oppisition = opposition
I'm here to help = example of irony

Oh yes, and some 'strikers'' names are surname first and some surname last.

I'm not surprised that you have difficulty understanding :)

CXtreme 5th Oct 2009 12:39

Oh Basil, your location explains it all. You see not all of us speak only English. As a matter of fact it's my 3rd language. I have a 6 on my English language proficiency (I was evaluated by a British Trainer)

Get with the global village. You must get a heart attack if you see how your kids text on their mobile phone's.

Don't sweat the small stuff. Learn another language and broaden your horizon.


Yet another threat hijacked by trivia.

Guten Tag
Goede Dag
G'day Mate :ok:

Basil 5th Oct 2009 16:43

I am humbled :O

Still get stunde, uhr, zeit mixed up.

However, just supplying a little support for ol' RHP.

Kid's mobs?!: im 404 bout that stuff - bin code18 since the L1011 (and, yes, I looked that up)

p.s. First language wouldn't, perchance, be Australian?:)

CXtreme 6th Oct 2009 05:15

Nein mein Herr, I don't care for flap or flapS, therefore could not be from downunder.

Back to topic, Mr.R is going to know all about fatigue after the next 5 weeks, any news on yesterday??

geh065 6th Oct 2009 10:42


18 sacked pilots sue Cathay for payouts
Compensation sought for job loss, distress
Yvonne Tsui
Oct 06, 2009


Eighteen of 49 pilots sacked en masse by Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) during the airline's industrial dispute in 2001 are seeking compensation for the loss of their jobs and for distress they say was caused by criticism by top airline executives aired in the press.

The 18 pilots claim their jobs were wrongfully terminated and that they believe they were fired because of their union activities.

They cite in their claim public statements made by Philip Chen Nam-lok, the airline's then director and chief operating officer, and Anthony Tyler, then director of corporate development, in July 2001 following the sacking.

They allege Chen said they had shown a lack of "total professionalism", disrupted airline operations and besmirched the reputation of Hong Kong while Tyler had accused them of holding Hong Kong to ransom and failing to act in the interests of the company.

The pilots said such remarks were defamatory, had damaged their professional reputations and created obstacles to their future employment.

Mr Justice Anselmo Reyes in the Court of First Instance heard that the pilots had taken a series of industrial actions and that the 18 were sacked after a "maximum safety strategy [MSS]" began on July 3, 2001.

First claimant John Warham, a pilot who retired after Cathay Pacific sacked him in July 2001, testified that MSS was a "limited industrial action" to pressure company management to continue talks about various issues with the union, the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association. According to Warham, the union and the airline had had various disputes, including one about the powers of the senior officer on an airliner - whether the captain had discretionary powers in exceptional circumstances.

Warham, a union president in 1997, said that MSS could disrupt airline operations, acknowledging that it aimed to cause flight delays and inconvenience to passengers.

Barrister Adrian Huggins SC, for the airline, said the pilots' aim was to threaten the airline by delaying each flight by about 15 minutes.

Warham said under cross examination, however, that a typhoon on the second day of the MSS scheme had caused chaos.

Huggins claimed pilots had followed a "contract compliance campaign" before the maximum safety strategy. He said pilots had stuck strictly to the terms of their contracts and had not been able to be contacted during off-duty hours.

However, Warham said: "I was contactable all the time even when I was off duty." A second claimant, Mathew Rogers, told the court that he never carried a mobile phone. Rogers said he was never told "to be difficult to be contacted".

Another claimant, Michael Shaw, testified that the contract compliance campaign was intended to affect daily airline operations and underscore the fact that the airline relied on people working on their days off.

Huggins said the union had also introduced a "sick-out policy". He said records showed that 89 pilots called in sick on the same day.

The hearing continues today.

From the SCMP .

jed_thrust 6th Oct 2009 23:17

As much as I would love to see justice prevail, I can't help but feel that HK will remain firmly tethered to "the bad old days" of doing business.

In fact, it seems that the latest missive from the AOA (regarding the FTLWG) has perhaps hinted that transactions in HK may not be as transparent as the Government would like us to believe.

:(

broadband circuit 6th Oct 2009 23:49

Those horrible pilots!
 

He said pilots had stuck strictly to the terms of their contracts
So, when did abiding by a contract become a crime?

4 driver 7th Oct 2009 03:36

this could get interesting.....what if they subpoena retired "gentleman" like ken barley, paddy cavanagh, ron davies? these lads have no reason to tow the company "line" anymore, and may spill the beans. If they don't come clean they could be personally liable or held in contempt.
I seem to recall the CX representatives on trial in London starting to sweat as they got caught changing their story on the stand.....

Basil 8th Oct 2009 14:54


subpoena retired "gentleman"
I'd come back to see the show but I doubt if a HK court can force them to appear.

Pathos 8th Oct 2009 16:46

Word in Wan Chai tonight is that Tony Tyler and Philip Chen will be appearing in court to explain their actions. Is that bar talk or for real?

Capt Vertigo 8th Oct 2009 17:39

Hmmm.. highly probable. :suspect:

Fly747 9th Oct 2009 16:49

Public Gallery
 
Is there a public gallery? Which court is it in?
It would be interesting to go and watch for a morning and show support.
I mean afternoon, not keen on mornings.

Kitsune 9th Oct 2009 17:51

Coming soon to a venue near you...
 
I think you will find that the 'gentlemen' will soon have their time in the sun... :cool:

LongTimeInCX 10th Oct 2009 16:01

FLY747 - should you wish to view, you could do worse than rock up at Court No. 19 (9/F), High Court, Admiralty.

Proceedings start at 10:00am.

6feetunder 11th Oct 2009 02:38

Here's what's been going on Transcripts from week 1


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