Goathead, I agree. This is amazing to read. I can see them squirming in their seats answering some of those questions. Wish I had time to make it down to the court room.

Read Day 7, its a page turner.

Not a good day for the CX camp........
The servile, obsequious SC representing CX seems to be making little headway with the court either...........

I needed a dictionary for that one NJ.

naughty johnny

What can I say? Just beautiful. After checking my dictionary, (Yes I had to as well), I nearly spilt my coffee everywhere.:D:ok:

" The servile, obsequious SC representing CX seems to be making little headway with the court either..........."

Adrian Huggins is a good and experienced SC. Obviously, he's made little to no headway because the company instructing him don't have any real defence against the 49ers claim :}

Anyways, good fun reading Grossman examining NR, Tyler and Chen - dynamite :ok:

truth -v- cathay
 

NICHOLAS PETER RHODES has no misgivings about telling it as it was.
Cathay could not prove any of the suspicions ( "probabilities" in the words of other Cathay witnesses) so could not use the discipline procedures so dismissed the pilots instead.

Reads like Cathay have lost. Where's Murray Gardner, John Findlay and the others in the HKAOA who gave up for their own purposes?

Renting videos.

It is very interesting and very satisfying to see the Tyler/Chen/Rhodes team finally facing the music for the actions they have taken. You just have to smile when the "three amigos" trip over themselves and accidentally blurt out "half-truths" under clever questioning, whilst they try to stick to the scripted answers they have been told to memorize.

His Lordship makes particularly perceptive comments and sees right through the otherwise cleverly crafted political answers offered by the trio. It will be extremely interesting to see His Lordship's final summing up of the reliability and truthfulness of the evidence given by these three witnesses.

The Management
What have you got to say?

Just goes to show how worthless the AOA really is.

Gave up on the 49'ers, just like they will give up on any current member(what makes you any different?).

Keep wasting your money supporting that outfit, AOA stooges.

AOA..SO GAY. :cool:

Well now, this should be a warning to MANAGERS, that THEY will stand before the rule of law personally and ANSWER for decisions made.

18 of the 49ers are having their day in Court.

The defendant CX managers of the day are turning and squirming as they give evidence to try to justify their shameful actions which are now exposed to the public gaze "of the fair-minded man in the street" and the judgment of an independent Justice.

As an AOA member of many years, I say that this would never have come to this stage without the early moral and monetary support of the Union. It is true that when the AOA in trying to seek a pragmatic solution, that better courses of action might have been taken.

Never-the-less, only the early concerted effort by the AOA union and the subsequent stoicism of the 18 has culminated in the public exposure of the shameful and repugnant behavior of those in CX management who were arrogant enough to think they could act in such an immoral way and in contempt of the law of Hong Kong.

Agree with the views but with respect.......

.....it ain't over til the fat lady sings.


Hopefully we will hear her hitting high Cs when the time is right

N

Long time observer, first time poster.

Check out the transcript from day 7 of the proceedings (page 133 lines 3 to 6).

If SK's answer was acceptable in a court of law, why wasn't the same answer acceptable to crew controllers when they were asking for assistance from crews?

Or was SK trying to be funny....?

STP

"touché"!!!

Well, CXtreme, you might have a 6 on your spoken English, but your written English leaves much to be desired. One does not "get" a heart attack, nor is "phone's" the plural of "phone."

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

The CPG is confident we will withstand the current wrongful dismissal case brought by the former CP employees.

If this case demonstrates anything is that We in Management are a very heartless people and our DFO has demonstrated this in his cross-examination. He will rise high in our organization. The termination of the pilots has done its job very effectively which was to put fear in the pilot group and you have responded flawlessly. The pilot group is so fearful of being terminated that they WILL do what is expected of them i.e. using discretion to extend a FDP or reduce rest, work on G days, not argue with crew control and accept a duty whether legal or illegal just to name a few. Extending the FDP has helped us pave the way in the new AFTL’s with longer hours and that is the direct fallout of having a fearful pilot group.

This case may show the rest of the world that we are a heartless employer but that is who we are at The CPG. It is expected of us so we can make money for our shareholders and ultimately for us in the way of BONUSES. We are paid very well to be that heartless and it will continue. . Other airlines of the world wish they can be this unkind to its employees/pilots but labor laws stop this action.

We may have to pay 18 ex-employees some cash but we will not be held personally responsible as some of you are expecting. The sum may be in the 1.5-2.0 years salary but that is a small amount compared to having a non-compliant pilot group. These terminations have served us well in the past and future terminations will continue to serve us well.

This sum may be taken out of the current SLS but we may need to ask for more and the fearful pilot group will comply.

In the future we will not terminate en masse but will terminate individuals if they have a tendency to fall out of line. Do you want to be that next person? If you are terminated at The CPG, the other airlines of the world will see you as a difficult pilot and will not want to hire such a troublesome pilot. It will serve us well and good luck in finding that next employer.

If you don’t know, this case has been decided at the Hong Kong Club months ago, as we are impervious to Hong Kong Law. The current Judge will show leniency to The CPG as not to make a mockery of Hong Kong Law. Don’t expect large payouts as one may expect in the United States of America if any at all.

Remember, the DFO is still your boss and you are still the employee. He does not care what you may think of him when this is all over and he will never lose any sleep for ruining the families of 51 of his employees and a catalyst in the death of two.

To My Bonus.

The Management

"The current judge has been spoken to months ago..."

Well, The Management, when your insinuation, in a public forum, that a judge of the HK judiciary has been 'spoken to' - with all the libellous connotations that such a scandalous remark carries - reaches his Lordship's attention, you better hope that Pprune are willing to protect your indentity when a Summons for Contempt of Court is issued against you and them.

Know what, I think I might just email the Court myself.

Here's to your imprisonment!

Battling barrister
 

Having just read Day 1 transcript it appeared that Huggins SC had been instructed by CX to really batter the 3 witnesses to fix a particular point in the judge's mind that they were unreliable witnesses with precious little moral scruples:

MR HUGGINS: In my respectful submission, on issues of credibility, even discovery doesn't require documents to be disclosed

HIS LORDSHIP: In my court it does. This is not Perry Mason, Mr Huggins.