5 weeks in court
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5 weeks in court
5 weeks in high court defending the goal against 18 strikers, when you know your defence is weak!!!
Somebody is going to come back as an old, tired man. All that bonus money and to sick to enjoy it.
Somebody is going to come back as an old, tired man. All that bonus money and to sick to enjoy it.
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Strikers?
They were co-workers that should not have been fired.
I read your post 5 times and do not understand it, you need to write in much simpler language, for me to understand.
They were co-workers that should not have been fired.
I read your post 5 times and do not understand it, you need to write in much simpler language, for me to understand.
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Football expression
I think you'll find it is a football expression. "Defending the goal" gives it away. Strikers are the players that try to score the goals.
Maybe not the best metaphor for the situation?
Maybe not the best metaphor for the situation?
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At least broadband get it. Don't they have the same players in ice hockey, goal keeper and defenders for the oppisition, strikers for the team with the ball / puck??
I paid 5% towards those strikers, and I hope everyone of them score a goal.
I paid 5% towards those strikers, and I hope everyone of them score a goal.
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Does This Mean Anything Red Hot Poker???
10:00 am
法庭聆訊
Open Court
雜項案件
HCMP 4400/2001, HCA 2822/2002, HCA 299/2006, HCA 1405/2006, HCA 807/2007
[2/30]#
Bennett Richard David, Blakeney-Williams Campbell Richard, Bulteel Steven James, Carver Kenneth Gordon, Chung Kai Wan, Doherty Patrick James, England Gregory Stephen, Fitz-Costa Michael John, Harris Bradford Dean, Heron Quentin James Lee, Palmer Michael Gordon, Schoettler Bruce Michael, Searle Andrew David, Shaw Michael Steven, Urquhart Steven Aubury, Van Poelgeest Craig Dirk, Warham John Simpson, Wilson Brett Alexander, Boyle Ron, Middlemass Duncan Raymond, Munro Keith Ian, Rogers Mathew David, St Hill Philip Fraser, Damon Neich-Buckley, Hendrik Van Keulen, Brian David Keene, Pierre Joseph Roger Morissette, Craig Michael Young, John Wallace Dickie, Douglas Gage, Christopher Leo Sweeney and George Crofts
And
Cathay Pacific Airways Limited, Veta Limited, USA Basing Limited
Breach of employment contract
趙司徒鄭律師事務所
Chiu, Szeto & Cheng
孖士打律師行
法庭聆訊
Open Court
雜項案件
HCMP 4400/2001, HCA 2822/2002, HCA 299/2006, HCA 1405/2006, HCA 807/2007
[2/30]#
Bennett Richard David, Blakeney-Williams Campbell Richard, Bulteel Steven James, Carver Kenneth Gordon, Chung Kai Wan, Doherty Patrick James, England Gregory Stephen, Fitz-Costa Michael John, Harris Bradford Dean, Heron Quentin James Lee, Palmer Michael Gordon, Schoettler Bruce Michael, Searle Andrew David, Shaw Michael Steven, Urquhart Steven Aubury, Van Poelgeest Craig Dirk, Warham John Simpson, Wilson Brett Alexander, Boyle Ron, Middlemass Duncan Raymond, Munro Keith Ian, Rogers Mathew David, St Hill Philip Fraser, Damon Neich-Buckley, Hendrik Van Keulen, Brian David Keene, Pierre Joseph Roger Morissette, Craig Michael Young, John Wallace Dickie, Douglas Gage, Christopher Leo Sweeney and George Crofts
And
Cathay Pacific Airways Limited, Veta Limited, USA Basing Limited
Breach of employment contract
趙司徒鄭律師事務所
Chiu, Szeto & Cheng
孖士打律師行
RHP,
to sick = too sick
At least broadband get it. = At least broadband got it.
oppisition = opposition
I'm here to help = example of irony
Oh yes, and some 'strikers'' names are surname first and some surname last.
I'm not surprised that you have difficulty understanding
to sick = too sick
At least broadband get it. = At least broadband got it.
oppisition = opposition
I'm here to help = example of irony
Oh yes, and some 'strikers'' names are surname first and some surname last.
I'm not surprised that you have difficulty understanding
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Oh Basil, your location explains it all. You see not all of us speak only English. As a matter of fact it's my 3rd language. I have a 6 on my English language proficiency (I was evaluated by a British Trainer)
Get with the global village. You must get a heart attack if you see how your kids text on their mobile phone's.
Don't sweat the small stuff. Learn another language and broaden your horizon.
Yet another threat hijacked by trivia.
Guten Tag
Goede Dag
G'day Mate
Get with the global village. You must get a heart attack if you see how your kids text on their mobile phone's.
Don't sweat the small stuff. Learn another language and broaden your horizon.
Yet another threat hijacked by trivia.
Guten Tag
Goede Dag
G'day Mate
I am humbled 
Still get stunde, uhr, zeit mixed up.
However, just supplying a little support for ol' RHP.
Kid's mobs?!: im 404 bout that stuff - bin code18 since the L1011 (and, yes, I looked that up)
p.s. First language wouldn't, perchance, be Australian?
Still get stunde, uhr, zeit mixed up.
However, just supplying a little support for ol' RHP.
Kid's mobs?!: im 404 bout that stuff - bin code18 since the L1011 (and, yes, I looked that up)
p.s. First language wouldn't, perchance, be Australian?
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Nein mein Herr, I don't care for flap or flapS, therefore could not be from downunder.
Back to topic, Mr.R is going to know all about fatigue after the next 5 weeks, any news on yesterday??
Back to topic, Mr.R is going to know all about fatigue after the next 5 weeks, any news on yesterday??
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18 sacked pilots sue Cathay for payouts
Compensation sought for job loss, distress
Yvonne Tsui
Oct 06, 2009
Eighteen of 49 pilots sacked en masse by Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) during the airline's industrial dispute in 2001 are seeking compensation for the loss of their jobs and for distress they say was caused by criticism by top airline executives aired in the press.
The 18 pilots claim their jobs were wrongfully terminated and that they believe they were fired because of their union activities.
They cite in their claim public statements made by Philip Chen Nam-lok, the airline's then director and chief operating officer, and Anthony Tyler, then director of corporate development, in July 2001 following the sacking.
They allege Chen said they had shown a lack of "total professionalism", disrupted airline operations and besmirched the reputation of Hong Kong while Tyler had accused them of holding Hong Kong to ransom and failing to act in the interests of the company.
The pilots said such remarks were defamatory, had damaged their professional reputations and created obstacles to their future employment.
Mr Justice Anselmo Reyes in the Court of First Instance heard that the pilots had taken a series of industrial actions and that the 18 were sacked after a "maximum safety strategy [MSS]" began on July 3, 2001.
First claimant John Warham, a pilot who retired after Cathay Pacific sacked him in July 2001, testified that MSS was a "limited industrial action" to pressure company management to continue talks about various issues with the union, the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association. According to Warham, the union and the airline had had various disputes, including one about the powers of the senior officer on an airliner - whether the captain had discretionary powers in exceptional circumstances.
Warham, a union president in 1997, said that MSS could disrupt airline operations, acknowledging that it aimed to cause flight delays and inconvenience to passengers.
Barrister Adrian Huggins SC, for the airline, said the pilots' aim was to threaten the airline by delaying each flight by about 15 minutes.
Warham said under cross examination, however, that a typhoon on the second day of the MSS scheme had caused chaos.
Huggins claimed pilots had followed a "contract compliance campaign" before the maximum safety strategy. He said pilots had stuck strictly to the terms of their contracts and had not been able to be contacted during off-duty hours.
However, Warham said: "I was contactable all the time even when I was off duty." A second claimant, Mathew Rogers, told the court that he never carried a mobile phone. Rogers said he was never told "to be difficult to be contacted".
Another claimant, Michael Shaw, testified that the contract compliance campaign was intended to affect daily airline operations and underscore the fact that the airline relied on people working on their days off.
Huggins said the union had also introduced a "sick-out policy". He said records showed that 89 pilots called in sick on the same day.
The hearing continues today.
Compensation sought for job loss, distress
Yvonne Tsui
Oct 06, 2009
Eighteen of 49 pilots sacked en masse by Cathay Pacific (SEHK: 0293) during the airline's industrial dispute in 2001 are seeking compensation for the loss of their jobs and for distress they say was caused by criticism by top airline executives aired in the press.
The 18 pilots claim their jobs were wrongfully terminated and that they believe they were fired because of their union activities.
They cite in their claim public statements made by Philip Chen Nam-lok, the airline's then director and chief operating officer, and Anthony Tyler, then director of corporate development, in July 2001 following the sacking.
They allege Chen said they had shown a lack of "total professionalism", disrupted airline operations and besmirched the reputation of Hong Kong while Tyler had accused them of holding Hong Kong to ransom and failing to act in the interests of the company.
The pilots said such remarks were defamatory, had damaged their professional reputations and created obstacles to their future employment.
Mr Justice Anselmo Reyes in the Court of First Instance heard that the pilots had taken a series of industrial actions and that the 18 were sacked after a "maximum safety strategy [MSS]" began on July 3, 2001.
First claimant John Warham, a pilot who retired after Cathay Pacific sacked him in July 2001, testified that MSS was a "limited industrial action" to pressure company management to continue talks about various issues with the union, the Hong Kong Aircrew Officers Association. According to Warham, the union and the airline had had various disputes, including one about the powers of the senior officer on an airliner - whether the captain had discretionary powers in exceptional circumstances.
Warham, a union president in 1997, said that MSS could disrupt airline operations, acknowledging that it aimed to cause flight delays and inconvenience to passengers.
Barrister Adrian Huggins SC, for the airline, said the pilots' aim was to threaten the airline by delaying each flight by about 15 minutes.
Warham said under cross examination, however, that a typhoon on the second day of the MSS scheme had caused chaos.
Huggins claimed pilots had followed a "contract compliance campaign" before the maximum safety strategy. He said pilots had stuck strictly to the terms of their contracts and had not been able to be contacted during off-duty hours.
However, Warham said: "I was contactable all the time even when I was off duty." A second claimant, Mathew Rogers, told the court that he never carried a mobile phone. Rogers said he was never told "to be difficult to be contacted".
Another claimant, Michael Shaw, testified that the contract compliance campaign was intended to affect daily airline operations and underscore the fact that the airline relied on people working on their days off.
Huggins said the union had also introduced a "sick-out policy". He said records showed that 89 pilots called in sick on the same day.
The hearing continues today.
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As much as I would love to see justice prevail, I can't help but feel that HK will remain firmly tethered to "the bad old days" of doing business.
In fact, it seems that the latest missive from the AOA (regarding the FTLWG) has perhaps hinted that transactions in HK may not be as transparent as the Government would like us to believe.
In fact, it seems that the latest missive from the AOA (regarding the FTLWG) has perhaps hinted that transactions in HK may not be as transparent as the Government would like us to believe.
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this could get interesting.....what if they subpoena retired "gentleman" like ken barley, paddy cavanagh, ron davies? these lads have no reason to tow the company "line" anymore, and may spill the beans. If they don't come clean they could be personally liable or held in contempt.
I seem to recall the CX representatives on trial in London starting to sweat as they got caught changing their story on the stand.....
I seem to recall the CX representatives on trial in London starting to sweat as they got caught changing their story on the stand.....
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Public Gallery
Is there a public gallery? Which court is it in?
It would be interesting to go and watch for a morning and show support.
I mean afternoon, not keen on mornings.
It would be interesting to go and watch for a morning and show support.
I mean afternoon, not keen on mornings.
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Here's what's been going on Transcripts from week 1
