Confused about loads?
 

I thought we're supposed to be suffering as far as loads are concerned?

Anyone seen the load factors out of Europe for the next 2 weeks? :ugh:

How about you tell me what they're paying for those seats before you get so confused?

Just checked,
HKG-LHR return
CX 14,917.00 hkd
BA 11,627.00 hkd
Slightly different dep and arr times, but same days.

And those fares apply to which of our corporate customers who buy their seats in bulk?

How about YOU telling us what the break even price/load factor is quadspeed?:cool:

As if I fu(king know....

I was merely pointing out that high loads don't necessarily mean high profit. I get paid to fly the airplanes... others get paid to sell the seats and put some of that money into my bank account.
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quadspeed,

nor does it necessarily mean that it is all doom and gloom which what coded_messages was trying to point out.....maybe they shouldn't even pay you to fly airplanes.

Off the last 8 sectors around Asia in the last 2 weeks only ONE sector hasn't been full. ( even that sector had 250 PAX )

405 POB to SIN last week.
The next day 398 incl 1 jump back to HK

I'm sure that premium pax are down a bit but what the heck???

Same here...90% of my flights have been full or close to it. A decent amount of cargo too. I doubt Cx are operating flights at a loss, so whats the real story?

And don't forget the 79 empty aeroplanes to Aussie each week.....:ok:

Ron,

Just spent a day and a half in the SYD terminal to get back, jump seat in the end (MANY THANKS TO CREW!) after missing 2 MEL services on the way down.

Yep, AUS is really quiet !

Cheers

My last few flights out of AUS still full, latest at Max Structural, full of pax and sea food. Southbound nearly full.
Last regional flight, one on jump seat down, solid load back.

Fuel hedging costs and cargo fine are management's problems, not mine.

"Fuel hedging costs and cargo fine are management's problems, not mine."

But I'm sure the management have ideas about how they're going to make it our problem. Hence all the doom and gloom!

I got those prices straight off the internet.

Just checked out loads for many outports, and Hong Kong outbound. What I found MOST interesting, are the loads to Australia.
Sydney and Melbourne, just to name these two only are showing RED for what seems an eternity, and this raises a question : How the F&*% are we, STAFF of THIS company supposed to travel around the network to our homes, wherever that may be, if under 'normal' circumstances we're downgraded to Economy to allow Check-in staff to look after 'their own' and where Economy is showing as TOTALLY RED for the whole period around Chinese New Year and after !

Does this mean, because the locals have their New Year coming up, that the rest of us will suffer ??? Does this mean, that for someone with 1-3 weeks holidays around that time, wishing to visit his family for a SUPER-BELATED Christmas or a chance at some kind of New Year ('cos he/she HAD to work both of them!!!), that they stand a chance of NOT being able to get home ??? Some f*%^ing Travel system we have in place !!!!
Oh let me see, but of course, just as 'Travel Desk' suggests, let's use the Jump Seat section if we're having trouble finding a seat on a flight... like that will work, considering how many of us there are, competing for sometimes ONE seat because the Airbus (for Oz routes, as an example) is either overbooked (classic line they use at Hong Kong check-in) or weight-limited...
Then again, there's the FOC, the one that's NOT free anyway, but moreso seems to get people BUMPED OFF a flight, rather than confirming anything as concrete in the first place.
It's either the a**holes upstairs DON'T know what they're doing, or there's LOTS of bullsh*t being fed to staff ("Treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen" MIGHT work in a relationship, f*&^-knuckles)...
It's times of the year like this where we're being screwed over, again and again ! We work for you over Xmas and/or New Year - at least send a priority travel note to check-in staff to get us on the flights we need to see our families, for f*&%'s sake !!!
Rant over.. Merry Xmas ? Bah humbug !

Full loads
 

Let me guess why the flights are full. Its Christmas:ugh:

Azamat,
No offence, but Xmas, CNY, School Holidays in Oz..... These are always very difficult if next to impossible for Staff Travel out of HKG. Perhaps secure a full fare ticket if you need to travel in these times, next time.
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boocs
 

But we're in a financial tsunami,no one is traveliing,lets all jump off the balcony.
Oil at $38 a barrel;we must be rakin' in the dough right.:ok:

Hey now get the mouth music right, it's a devastating financial tsunami. tut tut.:=

this may be why pilots don't make a very good job of running an airline. Every other finanical report in HKG is saying the worst is yet to come and the belt tightening and layoffs haven't filtered through.

Loads are also appearing ok because we are talking about forward bookings, people don't usually book and then fly the next day. These are bookings from mid-late 2008.

Soooooooooooooooooooooo, if you have a look at March April May 2009 you will see that it isn't so flash. Go ask Revenue.

Or if you are convinced that a full plane out of SYD equates to a current economic boom in aviation pick up Flight International, start at the back, and peruse the token Islander job in the Falklands as there doesn't appear to be much else.