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BlunderBus 17th Sep 2008 10:50

idea!
 
why don't we paint some big large numbers and piano keys on the runways and let pilots know about them?:eek:

drool69er 17th Sep 2008 11:32

1. Dirty business tactics

2.Bribery and corruption with CAD

3.Arrogant, inexperienced airline pilot wannabes given managerial positons

4.Firing 14 pilots and lying about the reasons

5. Replacing 14 pilots with useless, unsafe pilots - because they are friends of the arrogant inexperienced managers

6.offering a ridiculous pay scheme to favour the new useless pilots and aimed to squeeze out already experienced, without incident, HKA pilots, and then claim that Cathay and Dragon will soon follow suit with the utterly ridiculous pay scheme.

7.Stopping F/O's who have flown in China for over 2years, have 1000 hours on type,from flying into Kunming and letting new Captains with no Kunming experience F^ck up the approach.

8.Deleteing ALL QAR's from the new useless Captains from hard landing in Kunming, overbanks, overspeeds etc

9. Taking off on wet runway with well over aircraft and company limit crosswind - and then telling the investigating Captain (westerner) to leave the investigation alone.

10. And now trying to kill a plane load of pax by taking off on a taxiway.

Almost half a dozen issues brought up in these posts, and I haven't included them all.

The writing has been on the wall for too long. Someone is going to be killed, unless...........

ALL OF HKA SINGA SNAKE MANAGERS ARE REMOVED FROM THEIR POSITIONS ALONG WITH ALL THEIR USELESS MATES FROM THE SOUTH.

The proof is out there, CAD are sure going to look bad when these idiots finally do the unthinkable.

Waiting for a reply from the losers to start the racist thing again............

FlexibleResponse 17th Sep 2008 11:48

"In International Aviation, the long-term safety of an airline, will bear a direct correlation to the salary that the pilots are paid." (Anon).

drool69er 17th Sep 2008 12:28

As for HKA case, the egotistical self appointed managers pay a large chunk of salary to themeslves.

If heads are to roll, Madam Wu, dickie bird lai, Jerk ohf, and hostie sexual harraser dick stew should be the first to go.

hkadaily 17th Sep 2008 12:36

Guys...before these guys kill a plane load of pax why dont we get the media involved....

...this way atleast the clean-up can extend to HKCAD!

drool69er 17th Sep 2008 12:46

Intercepted proof.............
Need we say more??
We all at HKA have been screwed by the lowest form of filth





Dear

Please understand that the company is not on a Cost-saving exercise only for this period till the end of the year. Cost-saving is an exercise that must be perpetualy on-going for the company to stay efficient.


While I agree with you that money is not always the main motivator for many people in a job, as HR, you should understand that a big distabilizer factor amongst workers can be the disparity in salary for 2 persons of same seniority doing the same job.

Also, it is not difficult for anybody, let alone you as HR, to understand that Pilots, Engineers/Tech personnel and Fight Attendants are all in great demand in the market. These professionals are difficult to replace for the simple reason that it takes time to train and qualify them (and that is only if we first succeed in attracting them to join the company). You as HR should do your utmost to retain these people and not always plan on making adjustments at the end of the year. You may not have anyone left at the end of the year!!

As HR, you seem to rely alot on Hear-say, Gossips and Back-stabbing feed back to form an opinion of a person. Should you not rely more on the Depatrmental Heads to recommend position upgradings? I have found your knowledge of Airline operations severely lacking. I would advise that you trust the Department Heads to understand the inner workings of the department better than you and discuss their problems in greater detail.

Do not have the misconception that you as HR is the sole person to decide on Hiring and Promotions nor are you the head of a secret Police Force. We are all here with one common goal and that is to make this airline profitable.

Undersdtand this and I am sure it will put youself in better light with the staff of HKA and HKE.

Best of luck
COO, HKA

Park n Shop 17th Sep 2008 13:47

Awareness Awareness
 
Don't they identify the departing runway on line up with the selected ILS identifier for that runway and the rising runway symbol which will be in the middle of the lower half of the PFD if lined up on the correct runway????

If you're on the taxiway it is off to one side and sticks out like dogs balls.

Awareness is lacking, discussing threats during the before start briefing (4.00am everyone tired, keep your eyes and ears open) and a rush/complacent job.

Let this be a lesson.:=

Thank god no one was hurt including another aircraft taxing on the departing taxiway.:{

hongkongfooey 17th Sep 2008 14:24

Normally, the big thick white lines with a big number near them, the big thick white lines you align the a/c nosewheel with, and the pretty white ( not GREEN, not BLUE )HICL and HIAL are enough.
Let alone the ILS.

Dixi Normus 17th Sep 2008 17:16

This is HKA's home port, stuff like this should not happen. NO EXCUSES.

B747-800 17th Sep 2008 17:37

Guess that should be in the category: rumours and BS.

hongkongfooey 18th Sep 2008 02:20

Hows that 74-800 ??
It happened champ, so not sure what you are on about.

trevfly 18th Sep 2008 03:17

It may be HKAs home port, but are their pilots familiar, most having arrived from 3rd world hell holes?

Thankfully no one taxying down Alpha at the time

fromthedeck 18th Sep 2008 07:37

SCMP and Korean Newspapers have been contacted.

If the CAD.. aka Eric the bedwetter won't address this, I am sure a public outing will.

Traffic 18th Sep 2008 08:39

Sim01

Problem is that the skid marks will be on the taxiway:ooh:

hkadaily 18th Sep 2008 10:19

"fromthedeck"...ON YA MATE!!! Well done!:D About time something was done about these clowns!

Hoofharted 18th Sep 2008 13:04

I see that all of the HKA warriors are vewy vewy qwuiet!!! Whatsa matter........nothing to say? Can't dismiss this one as a racist plot by imperial colonial westerners out to get you?

And another thing........now that the Olympics are over and there is "accommodation available" how are you enjoying being back in a hotel?

hkadaily 18th Sep 2008 13:13

Just heard that the f/o involved in the taxiway 'departure' had his version of the MOR thrown out and was told to sign on one that had been written by Wu. The f/o has been into see HKCAD and hopefully told them his version.

LapSap 18th Sep 2008 23:20

Regardless of their piloting prowess, that is now 3 incidents under almost identical circumstances -single north runway ops, early hours of the morning, a/c taxying via 'B' for 07L, takes first turn onto 'A' instead of the Runway.
How many more times until CAD do something positive about this to address the obvious human factors involved?!
How about a 50 ft sign saying "This is not a :mad:ing Runway!!".

ACMS 19th Sep 2008 02:07

Oh come on.

It is very difficult for a trained Pilot to mistake the taxyway with the runway, especially in places like HKG where the lights are numerous and very specific.

The SQ in TPE is totally different, they mis identified a closed 'runway' in heavy rain, it had side line blue lights that looked white in the rain and it was very wide as they expected. So I can see how they stuffed up.

But Hkg, in good wx with all the lights, narrow taxyways v wide runways?

Don't blame the designers of the airport for Pilot incompetance.

AAIGUY 19th Sep 2008 03:59

Good Read
 
last words of the Singaporean flight in TPE

cvr001031.htm

Couldn't get the RW to align on the PFD..no worries.. just take off..:ugh:


"
23:16:23 CAM-1 Not on yet er PVD huh never mind we can see the runway, not so bad. Ok, I am going to put it to high first. OK ready eh, so zero one zero is from the left Lah Ok "

my bold lah...:E


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