The NEW AOA, It is time!!!
 

OK, we have all be whinging and winging for some time about all the issues . I am guilty of course. Now we have a new president and firstly, I urge you ALL to go to Youtube and search "HKAOA". It is a call to arms boys and girls!!!

We have a new president and new direction. The offices at CX city (across the street) will be manned daily.

NOW IS THE TIME folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We all are guilty of complaining but not doing anything. Lets do something! Join the AOA if you have not. Volunteer if you aren't and get invloved. DO NOT throw stones at our brothers and sisters at Dragon, get them on our side. None of this is their fault. As far as the Oasis guys, get them involved too. Splitting us apart is what THEY want. WE CAN'T HAVE IT. Let's fight the people we really need to fight. Let's take it back. Let THEM know NO MORE!!!

If you truly have had enough, NOW IS THE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We can do it. Can anyone say LUFTHANSA!

Instead of spending energy here on the Prune, lets' spend it where it needs to be spent.:ok:

Come on WHO'S WITH ME????

YouTube - PPWHKAOA's Channel

Hooray

We have now discovered the next pilot DFO
And a payrise for John Findlay also long overdue
This will work, sign up folks,progress at last

Nice work Mr. President! :ok:

Now come on guys and gals, please join up!

YouTube video has already been removed?

That was quick.. Mayby the video went down into the same bin as the one of the former Chief Pilot - who got eaten by his own.. Nasty :ugh: :D

no video is still there, click the link in the first post.

Also, I believe SOs subsciption is only $200/month now.

Great start Mr. President
 

Thank you Mr. President. That certainly makes me feel a little better about my subscription fees. It's just really nice to see some effort being made in terms of communication.


Come on blokes share the video with all your CX mates so that it gets seen by everyone, not just the Pprune mob.

W2

Very impressed and happy with some early decisions. Good work!:ok:

A good start I would say. Now get off of your but, download the membership list and pick out a few of your free loadiing buddies to put the screws to and get them to join.

BTTT Go AOA

Dream on people!:D:D

Think you are going to get support from those who will only join if the subs are only HK$2-300. Will they pay the 5% when it comes to it??

Too many "dreamers" have joined since the dispute and think that they are the only ones whose contract should now be fully protected - grow up people. Did you not realise or understand what you were getting into, everyone who has joined the company has had a contract "adjustment". Perhaps you just believed the spin and that "you" would be looked after, as you joined during or after the "troubles"!:ugh::ugh:

Positive President
 

Great to see some positive leadership from the AOA, Thank you I look forward to supporting the cause in anyway I can. Lets give people a period to get onboard say 6 weeks and then go it alone, what matters is not so much numbers but having the drive from above to stick to our guns. If 55% of the workforce made a stand that would hurt the company. I agree with what was said indirectly in the youtube video - NO MORE FREELOADERS!!! If you not in the AOA then the AOA should negoitate with the company for and onbehalf of members only (surely this can be arranged) and benefits from those negotiations are soley for the members, ie a payrise given to 55% of the workforce. This makes sense for the company aswell it halves there extra salary expenses.

I will be passing the word on to all my fellow pilots who are non union.

Go the AOA and Paul W.

Good luck to you. A good YouTube presentation too.

You will of course get the inevitable naysayers (the 'dream on' brigade) but don't let that dissuade you, you must and will improve that 55%.

To muck up the cliche: Divided we have fallen, so the only way to improve our lot (whining on PPRuNe doesn't do it) is to UNITE.

It's no use simply posting these icons on PPRuNe:ugh:and thinking that's your contribution to the effort. Join, use some industrial savvy, work cohesively and achieve your goals.

Mr President

Great start to the new job!

I choose to remain optimistic about the future, if we can do as you have mentioned in the video and increase membership.

It always amazes me how something positive quickly gets shot down by some naysayer...iceman50...your a piece of work mate.:rolleyes:

Go read a New Era
 

This is why I posted what I did. The storm is coming folks. We are just starting to get the wind.

Common Contract?
 

That video is just plain offensive to those that do not receive housing allowance either by choice or by contract.

And now it seems the president wants to pressure those who already don't receive housing allowance to cough up money or else they're hurting those who do receive housing allowances' contract?

At least make an effort to recognize the GROSS difference in contracts and charge membership dues accordingly and avoid further alienation of potential membership by rubbing salt in the wounds of those who must suffer a severe reduction in disposable income or a severe reduction in quality and size of domicile due to an inflated housing price environment.

In fact it could be argued that those that do not receive housing allowance and join the aoa would be paying to degrade their own contracts. For example since some of the effort of the AOA obviously goes to securing other goals than pay rise such as the INDEXED housing allowance policy, then not 100% of the dues of those that do not receive housing will be used to fight for a pay rise. Therefore those that do not receive housing are getting back less than they put in.

Bullying and pressure tactics are not ways to increase membership. Unless you're the communist party.

Make sure the AOA knows
 

shritcrapp. Please make sure the AOA knows your grievance. They can't fix what they don't know. Please go see them at CX city and tell J.F. Thank you.

Hip Hip
 

A bloody good start!! Let's continue to plod forward!

MACH.88:cool:

Yep, well done Paul and GC.

Let's spread the word.

Enough of crap excuses fellas.


JUST JOIN UP.

You've nothing to lose.:ok:

Saturn
 

You started this thread with a stirring post urging us to join the mighty AOA.

However, some days ago, 7th July to be exact, you wrote this....

"The info on those Oasis guys who took the positions no-one else applied for IS FALSE! When the AOA did nothing about that I knew t was over. I have given up on the AOA. I did my part for years and now know it has all been in vain. The violations of just the current agreements have been unprecedented. You can disagree or agree but we had our chance and the AOA will NEVER be able to really do anything for us again""

I have added the bold.

Saturn, one of us is a confused chappie

and I suspect it's not me:eek:

Liam, you may be right but thankfully we have an AOA willing to try! I give top marks to this president for early decisions and the gumption to want to fix things.

Just two weeks ago I too was very negative on the AOA. Given this video speech, I'm willing to give them another shot.

So, you can ask yourself, are you going to stand in their way and become just another hurdle or will you help them...help you?;)

A leader is, per definition, nothing without his followers.

Excellent move in this direction by the new president.

CPDude
 

Just two weeks ago I too was very negative on the AOA.

Try two days mate.... didn't you write some post that finished with "Me Me Me".... however did find this recent gem...

way anything will ever change is if people leave and/or stop coming. Otherwise, what you get is all you will get!

With you and Saturn as cheerleaders for the New President, PW* must get a warm fuzzy feeling..... I feel so inspired....

*For PW; read Ph!l W@lker or P@ul We@ther!lt (delete as appropriate)

Liam, you sound like you would be happy if the new pres failed!:=

Days or weeks doesn't matter, if it's the same old stuff then nothing will change but when I see a change then anything is possible. Personally, I would rather see a change regardless of the method.

Great post guys, this is what we need, some momentum!!!
Any locals who feel they wont be represented, you need to get in touch with JF/PW and have a chat, if you choose to put your head in the sand then that is your own fault!!
All the ney sayers will continue here, doom and gloom, but what do they offer you as solutions....yeah nothing!!!! No-one can deny the failings of the AoA in recent times but its time to move on again and with this new GC and Prez there is hope!!!!!! Come on guys, put up or shut up!!!!!:ok:

CPDude
 

Don't try and deflect the flak; I have no issue with the New President; far from it...

I have an issue with you and Saturn. Am I really to believe a 7:15 Youtube video can turn you both into AOA cheerleaders?

If this President leads you in a direction ST wasn't prepared to (and I am not suggesting he will) and the Company responds with Negative Rostering and Contracts in Mailboxs and it all starts to get a bit uncomfortable; I wonder where your Sequins and Pom-Poms will be then?

Further, whilst you both were on here slagging off the AOA, it was known that PW was going to be the next President and his manifesto was available for all to see.... so why the big change once a short video is released. Perhaps if you spent more time keeping up with Company Politics and less time on here spouting emotive rhetoric, I would respect you both a bit more.

Do you read
 

Liam, please read my initial post again. I admit to what I have said. But I have decided to give it another try. No, it is not just the video, that is just silly isn't it. You can slag me and Capt dude if you like but again I'd ask to direct it where it needs to be directed. If the issues do not affect you nor does it bother you about your brothers and sisters at CX, then I guess you are just having a great career. There are a lot of us who are getting absouletely screwed by the issues and we need to at least try to fix it. I personally am ashamed of the lies being told by the 3rd floor. I am actually surprised these guys have given into what they know is flat wrong.

I have just decided to direct my energy and my fight to where it needs to be. I am also looking at other opportunities as if the issues do not got fixed, it is time to fly. There are still a lot of opportunities out there.

If we accept DEC's then what would be the point of working for CX. Here is our very last chance.

I ask that your refrain from copying and posting, it does no good. Thanks.

Couldn't care a bit about having your respect Liam. :}

At the very least it looks to be a step in a better direction. The other encouraging step is the use of the Wilson people to poll the group. I still didn't see much mention of us freighter pukes though other than the pax guys aren't happy having to fly them. We are here too, "wearing the same uniform". God forbid, now some of you actually have to fly with us :eek:

Saturn
 

I ask that your refrain from copying and posting, it does no good. Thanks

Does no good for whom? You perchance.. by demonstrating how inconsistent your posts are?

If people like CPdude and ACMS come on here trying to sell the "new AOA", I feel it is important to point out they have a posting history showing a gross misunderstanding of basic Company Politics.... readers are then free to make up their own minds as to validity of the opinions expressed in their posts..... I think it's all part of being in a free society and informed decision making.

Pardon me?

What did you say?

please cut and paste what I said in the past to deserve that remark mate.

Liam, Cpdude and Saturn,

Could you ladies take your handbags and go private with your cat fight please? Can we stay on topic?

Whilst a simple Youtube vid is not going to spark a major revolution, it is nonetheless a positive step from the AOA president.

Yeah come on guys, time to move on, that is the general theme here, put your differences aside and smoke the peace pipe!!
I just watched the vid and thought it was well thought out with some good balanced views from the new Prez!!
Start recruiting peoples!!!!!

ACMS
 

At your service as always...

Just a selection from the recent Direct Entry Captain thread;

8th June 2008

... know a guy that was in Air Hong Kong back about 6 years ago ( the days when they operated the 747's in blue ) as a Capt.

We integrated some of them into CX into the Freighter fleet after we bought AHK? right?

So how come his date of Joining is shown as 1995 in Crew Direct and now he is checking out on the 400 PAX fleet as a Capt HKG base? ( I think he's flying PAX now )

Why isn't his DOJ around 2002? The date of the integration.

Only 3 basic factual errors there; but we all make mistakes. Loopdeloop and Firewall tried to put you straight. Still convinced, that some nasty-ex Freighter pilot was engaged in some underhanded plot, you responded on the 9th June...

All I know is that this guy was with AHK from '95. He was a Capt on the 742 classic and in 2000 he must have joined the CX seniority list. Now he's got a 744 Pax left seat based in HK on a fairly good housing allowance.

How'd he rate that after only 8 years on our list?

FAC6 and Fenwicksgirls nice try as peacemakers; ACMS, CPDude and Saturn have all come on here encouraging us to join the AOA. Whilst they are entitled to their views, surely I am entitled to examine their posting records and question them as to their credibilty as salesmen for the AOA. This is Pprune... not Cprune... debate is allowed here....

yes so.....
I wasn't sure so I asked a question using 100% correct information ( without the guys name ) and was immediatly shot down for being an A:mad: trying to stir trouble...............nice types

For the record...I encourage all but Liam Gallagher to join the AOA!:}:E

liam
 

liam, you wouldn't be an 89'er would you?

so-tired
 

and if I am?

???
 

I do not of course mind debate at all. But Liam you have made it personal. How you have picked me out I do not know but what you did on the other thread was bizarre and just plain disturbing. To actullay try and hurt my chances at another possible employer is so :mad: up that I actually cannot believe we work for the same company. It is one thing to debate or disagree with me on the issues and you are quite right there but to write what you wrote is just plain deranged. WTF over??? I will not let you disuade me form the task however. We all now know your true colors as a distubed and deranged individual. I mean damn dude. This will be my last repsonse to you. I hope the moderator would take you off after your post to 411a about me.

Now back to our program