Old boys, in case your wondering, as a junior officer it's very hard to respect someone who's to stupid to have put enough away, dosn't know how much is enough and has nothing better to do.

PILL and others,

It is very hard to have respect for the "children" that have tantrums on this thread and then go on to say they are Professional Pilots and they deserve their command now and I want it right now or I am going to throw my toys out of the cot that my company has bought for me. Well they should stop flying these shiny new jets and go back to the bush and their safe little trikes they were flying before!

You have all obviously only been here a couple of years and should have had your Command yesterday. Get some time IN!!!

Cannot wait to hear the fallacious argument again about how you should have planned earlier etc etc. As has been said before plans change and can be affected by other factors requiring re-planning. But of course you "children" know it all and will have made the best plans and they will never need amending - just the sort of decision maker we need in the left seat!

Finally some of us actually enjoy flying!!! It is what we always wanted to do and still want to do, we did not take up the profession as we thought it would make us RICH. Some have been made rich others not, but hey that is LIFE, get over it.:rolleyes:

Iceman. Good post. However, trying to explain the obvious to the illiterate, juvenile and obnoxious lot that populate many of the right seats in this airline is a thankless and pointless task. CX decided to 'dumb down' the airline many moons ago...and have succeeded magnificently. I sometimes am left in awed amazement at the sheer level of dysfunction inherent in many of my colleagues. Couldn't care less what they think...as I have found most of them are incapable of any reasoned thought anyway....:ugh: ps. think we should get some '65' tie pins manufactured...:ok:

Jesus, ice and apple, I just said you were clowns. You guy read all that other crap into it. Hit a nerve did I. Good

Apple Tree Yard
 

On the 23rd April you wrote...
'STOP THE ARGUING CHILDREN'

and today you wrote....

"...illiterate, juvenile and obnoxious lot that populate many of the right seats in this airline..." and

"I sometimes am left in awed amazement at the sheer level of dysfunction inherent in many of my colleagues. Couldn't care less what they think...as I have found most of them are incapable of any reasoned thought anyway...."

I may not be capable of much reasoned thought... but I think you need to take a look in the mirror and then step outside and have a word with yourself.

Liam, Pill...what part of 'couldn't care less what you think' didn't you get? :hmm:

Pill, I find that flying with kids like you 'hit's a nerve' every time.:bored:

Unfortunately the immaturity crap written here is not only from young pilots in the right seat. The odd 777 captain (ACMS) is the worst. I could not give a sh.t what they say about RA65. The decision to fly past 55 is ONLY going to made by me and my family NOT some whinging B scaler.

Apple Tree Yard
 

If you couldn't care less... why post on here....?

Or is it reasoned debate you don't care for....?

Within the multiple scales, agreements, and conventions at CX, there already is a way to fly past 55 - CoS 08. If anyone wants to keep flying, could they not reseign and re-sign on the new terms. There is lots of precedence to let people straight into the LHS lately.

Liam, you miss the obvious. The issue of 65 is seat based. IE: if you are already in the left seat, no problem with 65. If you are in the right seat, you are against it. That is of course, until you are promoted to the left seat, then, miraculously, you seem to find that 65 is no problem. I fully support a fair deal, but am tired of hearing comments from the children suggesting that I have no 'right' to fly beyond 55. When I hear that, I couldn't care less what happens to the lot of you at that point. Don't like my attitude.....well, you can imagine how much I care? Whether you like it or not, 65 is a done deal. Not just in HK, but worldwide. Get over it. ps. where does it say in your contract 'how long' it should be before you get a command...? hmmm, bit of a problem there me thinks.

Apple Tree Yard
 

At least afford me the courtesy of reading my posts... I sure read yours!

Flying beyond 55, beyond 60 even, is old news. I'm in the right seat and never said I had issue with it; flown with a lot of guys with similar views. Whether one should or should not fly beyond 55, whether it's illegal or legally required is no longer up for debate... it's happening and been happening for nearly a decade...

The question is on what terms will it happen? It would seem this is being debated in earnest behind closed doors as we speak. The result of those talks could adversely effect you, me, or indeed Trafalgar; yet there is such limited debate about what terms are the best for the majority of guys... clearly there are going to winner(s) and losers.... I suspect one winner actually:rolleyes:

bm330... err.. Resign and go to the bottom of the seniority and pay lists:ugh:.. you fly beyond 55 and me on COS99 (as amended:rolleyes:) I get By-pass:ok:.. err perhaps NR wont like that.... non starter mate...

Would you agree with me if I were to suggest that ACM...or whatever he calls himself...

was nothing other than a bigmouth pain in the butt? :ok:

obie.............come on buddy we are on the same team same dream band wagon aren't we?????????

your friend as always.............ACMS

( a:mad: condition monitoring system ) means I keep a check on YOU.


your in the big boys sand pit now, either learn to get along here or take your bucket and spade elsewhere.

2 snippets of info I gleemed today

1/ Ki j Phil retires in Sept
2/ NR goes to Stanford uni ( US ) in June for 2 months.......so he's outta here.

that's why they want a DEAL NOW.

Stuff em

When Phill goes we should all have a "F..k off Party" which he obviously will not be invited to!!!

:ok:

This bickering makes me sick. I couldn't care less if you are "A" or "B" scale, or a LHS or RHS driver, (I'm the second in both cases). I don't know how many times I have said it but this debate and eventual vote isn't about RA65. The company would have you believe it is though. This is about the company wanting to avoid bypass pay. Nothing more nothing less. What ever is negotiated it will be less than what we would currently get under our current contracts otherwise the company would just pay us the bypass pay.

Finally I don't think anyone and that most definately includes me think we deserve our command now as "Iceman50" would lead you to believe. What we are arguing here is our right to our contractually agreed conditions,ie bypass pay for extentions past 55.

I am going to his farewell drinks for 2 reasons:

1/ drink free on his tab

2/ MAKE SURE HE IS REALLY LEAVING, AND PUSH HIM OUT THE GAY BAR FOR THE LAST TIME.

Is it time to step back from the negotiations, consult with the membership then tell them we promise to "talk about" RA65 and bypass pay once we've sorted out the pay issue?

I seem to remember the company promising to "talk about" pay once everything else had been sorted out when it suited them so it's obviously seen as a legitimate negotiating technique......we'll "talk about" RA65 once we've got what we want!

So if they go to RA65, is that mandatory retirement at 65? Or can you retire earlier and still get the PF and retiree travel benefits?