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and its counts as Multi Crew time as well.....thats the best i have heard this year.With these wan@ers at the helm, the co wont be there in 18 months!
14 people just got a lucky escape...... i hope the rest of the crew have irons in the fire! |
HKA Management Speak: Translation
"I have tens-of-thousands of hours wide-body time"
= I have 5000 hours TOTAL. "I have thousands of wide-body command hours" = I have 900 hours wide-body command I thought the translation may assist those who are not familiar with the dialect spoken. |
" We have 50 airbuses coming "
There may be 1 more 737 turning up, to make up for the one we're losing " You will be flying a widebody by the end of the year " You will be flying a widebody by the end of the year........... for KA or CX or QF " We have too many FOs " We have too many FOs that are the wrong nationalities. " This is an extremely good pay package " The guy working the DB toll gate is jealous of what we earn " I am very experienced in Airline operations and this is going to be a great airline " I am smoking crack |
demise of hong kong airlines
throw out RG with his fancy titles , high handyness , god like attitude and butt lickers and bring back ZEB KHAN to run the circus
BRING BACK ZEB , BRING BACK ZEB |
zeb's dead baby, zeb's dead
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"I've done my research. Have you done your research???"
I asked my mum and she said I was right. "Put you and me in a sim together and I'll show you how good I am" No one will fly with. Will you fly with me? Will you be my friend? Somebody send this clown back the circus he came from. |
"I've done my research. Have you done your research???" "Put you and me in a sim together and I'll show you how good I am" |
For HKEHKA
I know you keep checking this forum and it is wise you do not reply....... since anything you say or do is reflecting how stupid you really are
BUT, it seems your groups evil plans are working! The round eyes are leaving in droves. The new regime will get their ethnic cleansing as proposed. All they'll have left is that two faced F/O to follow you all around and suck your fingers! What a great combination for a new airline.....hiring direct entry captains who don't have a clue what they are doing and put them with your puppy dog F/O who thinks he knows what he's doing! Maybe you could make him the first training F/O and teach captains how to taxi. HOOFHARTED Those are ACTUAL quotes from new management. Self explanatory....... |
An airline going nowhere
It never ceases to amaze me that there is still all this talk about airbuses going to HKA.
Even after the president gave his propaganda speech (before the new bedwetter tried to sell his bullsh*t pay scheme), he specifically said that Hainan airlines buys aircraft under the HKA umbrella to avoid tax issues and the red tape of getting approval from Chinese Government, exactly the same reason why it looks like HKA had 30 737's on order but they only have 7. What happened to the one aircraft per month from 2008? The president even said, that HKA have to prove they can operate the airbus IF they arrive......... HKA is no longer getting anymore aircraft, because Hainan are disappointed with HKA Management. They are useless. With the current Manager of Ground operations in charge, you can see why the airline is falling apart. OTP is ridiculously low(despite the new bedwetter trying to blame the reason on flight crew), they cancel flights with low loads. They get all pi$$ed off and hang up the phone on Flight crew managers after pilots refuse to operate into freezing rain conditions?? And then go crying to managers arguing "we must be seen to be trying"........ What idiot gave him a managers job? He obviously has no idea about anything to do with flying operations. So how can he handle 50 Airbus? And this is only one example of how this ******** f&$ks up. And now these new idiots coming in from AHK blowing their own trumpets are going to add to the mismanagement. The new bedwetter has already made a fool of himself by pretending to be an experienced pilot, and by being "proud" of his new pay scheme. He wonders why everyone laughed when he presented it. The way of the future? What an idiot. So because of this new bedwetter, lots of guys are leaving..... Meaning lots of new training required for new entrants, meaning more expenditure. Its a matter of time before Hainan asks why they are spending so much on training, especially since alot of retraining will be involved(not to mention the bedwetters retraining since he didn't meet the standard in Korea, and the no shows of 8 new Captains in Korea). Another reason why no new aircraft will be going to HKA. Who cares if the new management can have a better rapport with CAD. They can all wet their beds together, but it doesn't change the fact that it is going to be run into the ground. |
Someone told me yesterday that they were getting a B747 Freighter.
I pissed my pants laughing. Unless we're talking about a toy model for WuWu-La's desk, it ain't never gonna happen. Since having left this joke of a company, life has never been so good. Just heard that almost EVERYONE of the 14 "unexperienced" pilots that were let go found work. Most with other larger HK Airlines. Since that another 1/2 dozen have resigned with atleast 5 more waiting for starts elsewhere. |
Found a sim partner for HKEHKA
HKEHKA couldn't be arsed listening to his troops at the so-called 'open forum'. Well, he might be wetting more than his bed if he keeps his eye on this forum...... Has the company got a contingency fund to pay off the CAD to fast track the incoming cheap labour when there's only 5 f/o's left??????
It took 4 months to come up with that laughable package?!?!...... You really live up to your dumb C*&^T reputation. Seriously, bring back ZEB!! hmmmm, think we found you a sim partner- between the 2 of you, it might only take 2 months to figure out how to set the park brake. |
Don't worry Adam Air had another overrun today, two more pilots looking for a job with HKA.
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INDONESIA'S transport minister warned that budget airline Adam Air may be forced to halt its operations after a series of accidents involving the carrier. In the latest incident, a Boeing 737-400 operated by Adam Air with more than 170 people on board overshot the runway at the airport on Batam island yesterday, causing damage to the plane and injuring five people.
"We are giving them a chance to improve. If there's no change, we will place them in the third category," Transport Minister Jusman Syafii Djamal said. The third category under the ministry's rating system means the airline has three months to improve before its operation is suspended if it does not improve. Adam Air was in the second category, which means it has fulfilled minimum safety requirements but still has deficiencies. Adam Air spokesman Danke Drajat said the airline, which flies mainly domestic routes but also to Singapore, was doing its best to improve its safety standards. "We are completing all manuals and revamping the standard operating procedure," said Drajat. In January last year, an Adam Air plane crashed into the sea off Sulawesi island, with all 102 on board missing and presumed dead. Indonesia's airline industry has grown rapidly in the past decade following liberalisation, with the launch of new players and a wider choice of routes across the sprawling archipelago. However, the country has suffered a string of airline disasters in recent years, raising concerns about safety standards and prompting the European Union to ban all Indonesian airlines from its airspace. Is it true that HKA are actively seeking the services of a certain 1-2-GO Captain and the Garuda Yogyakarta ace :} Can't wait to see some of the new ( and old ) hires in the 'Bus, should make some good reading in the SCMP |
T & C
Ok does anyone has T & C on these guys on hand..:sad:
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If asking stupid questions was an science you'd be a professor!! :D:D:D:D
Of course there are people that have this kind of information (like me) just not willing to share it with you or somebody like you or any other scab. |
If asking stupid questions was a science you would be a professor!! :D:D:D:D
Of course there are people that have those (like me) we're just not willing to share them with somebody that can not read or do a simple search. There's a wanabee section for questions like this. Please tell me reading is a requirement for recruitment |
What is of far more concern is why someone would want the T&C's of a company in this state.
Are you a masochist 696? P40 |
No, Look at Jet Jerky's past post. He is a low time South East Asian pilot.
He's just trying to get a job, even though he is really barking up the wrong tree here.. Not part of the current in crowd. |
Perfect if he has low time.
Just need to tell everyone he's got thousands and thousands of hours jet and come up with a ridiculous idea for a pay scheme, and then be adamant that its the way of the future and he could be HKA's new GM. I'm sorry jet jerky is bearing the brunt of this. Maybe he could spread the news in his part of the world.......DONT GO TO HKA The company is a ticking time bomb with idiots that have no experience in running an airline in charge. You'll be looking for another job in 6months anyway coz the idiots will run the airline into the ground, or God forbid, you'll be writing an incident report explaining why your Captain f*&ked up(I'm talking about new captains coming with the new regime). Do yourslef a favour and stay away!!!!! |
Guys,
anyone has the latest Ts & Cs? mind to share the payscale? thanks.... |
You want to know what the t &c's are? Well they are sh!t. There are you happy now?:ugh:
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If you're from anywhere in SE Asia, it's an attractive package- especially since you are cheap labour... the new Nazi regime came in and committed genocide of all the kiwis, aussies, poms, and yanks coz they know their worth. But the regime know that they can propaganda-rise all the asians in the region to come and work under 'local' conditions with no housing and subsequently work for 50% less than all the other ex-pat pilots.
The holocaust by the Fuhrer and his Party is working, so there's plenty of jobs.... you'll literally have no trouble getting a job if you're Singaporean, Malaysian, Indonesian, Chinese, Indian etc... they know you'll be more than happy to rent a dog kennel for 5K a month, so you won't be worried about not getting a decent housing package. More resignations in the coming week. A warm welcome to all the Adam Air applicants. Introducing new crew meals soon: Nasi Goreng and Beef Rendang.... Heil Hitler! |
@wonganopolous
back home I know for sure you are cheap labour with prop. hour..otherwise you wont be here ''More resignations in the coming week..'' good to hear..going to CX(be 2nd FO)/ KA:D? or maybe AHK(follow n****e):oh: i suggest go to EK/QR/SV..they need ''eXperience'' guy like you(dont forget gain some Jet hour before you leave):ok: |
SANDU, obviously you are one of "immigrant" expats by your tone.
Should Any OU/HX pilot go to be a CX SO he would earn on average 40 % more than if had stayed KA FO he would earn on average 300% more than had he stayed And in both postitions have benefits such as staff travel in Business Class, a medical scheme that actually paid out when a claim was submitted, proper home to live in, not a Tung Chung Shoe box. Don't you worry, guys will be hitting EK and QR too. I FO's with interviews @ both. IIRC, 2 lads recently turned down EK to go KA.... Lot's of choices for the experienced FO's from HKA.. |
Don't worry boys... I hear a bit of Bob Marley: "Stir it up, little darlin' stir it up...."
Back at ya Sandu! Back home, I know for sure YOU TOO are 'a' cheap labour..... otherwise you wouldn't be coming here!!!!! You're a bright spark aren't you Sandman??? Earlier posts have pointed out your lack of intelligence, so our colleagues have kindly done the maths for you. In the words of our Fuhrer: "We've done our maths, have you done your maths??" Your ego obviously overrides your intelligence, so enjoy your time at HKA as a F/O or Capt... and while your salary will have bottomed out even as a captain, the rest of us will be earning more than that even as a S/O or F/O... Salute! On ya mate!!!!! Ozzie ozzie ozzie, Oi oi oi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Sorry for being a dumbass, but can someone confirm to me that HKA is Oasis and HKE is Hong Kong Express?
Disregard the above! I did search HKA and Hong Kong Airlines and google screwed me, sent me straight to what I now know is OHK!!!! Sorry for the misunderstanding! |
Oh I don't know, the prop time seems to keep us out of the dirt, unlike some other countries with all their jet experience :D
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@eric is a loser
dont like it...just go....so many job outside... but wait...you dont have enough hour..:}..yeah yeah |
Sandu, you are such an idiot
Even the 14 white guys and gals that were fired ALL have jobs with other airlines (and respectable). Any western pilot still @ HKA is there only waiting on a course date with another carrier. HKA had some seriously experienced people with varied backgrounds capable of filling roles that were created with the expansion. All HKA has now is an accident waiting to happen. |
@AAIGUY
for 14 guys..I feel sorry for what happened.but happy to hear that got a job already..i wish them happy in their new place. but for those who always saying pilot from SE Asia is a third class pilot..cheap labour. thats an offensive..very insulting. are you saying all western pilot the ''most'' of all???whos an idiot now??? hopefully not you Peace man...i dont like to have enemies..but I wont tolerate to some ''group'' keep saying negative words to pilot from SE Asia |
You'd have a great case Sandu, Except the Racism started when the 14 pilots were let go
and other MUCH lower time SE Asian pilots were hired. Its that simple. We were a very diverse and international group who worked well together and liked each other. Now the current management has changed that and created the prejudice. Wasn't it you who said the western pilots HAD to stay as they had "little experience and no hrs.." I think if I scroll up .. yes.. yes it was you. Edit. Just in from pool and thought I would reread this to see if I was over the top. This time I wasn't. In fact I want to further add I had the great pleasure on my type course of being paired with a gentleman from China, previously an Air Force pilot. He is among one of the best pilots I have ever flown with. All the issues with HKA started 3 months ago. We didnt' start the fire. |
AAIGUY
Sorry for any thread drift but your statement " he is among one of the best pilots I have ever flown with " caught my attention. Could I just ask if you are refering to any specific aspect (manipulation/communication/situational awareness/systems knowledge/CRM etc etc) of his operation or making a general overall observation/assessment?? Just interested. Thanks :ok: |
Let's not get into too much mud slinging here.
The fact remains a localisation policy in an airline with a workforce on expatriate has merit, namely financial and a lower staff turnover. HOWEVER....HKA/HKE, whilst employing expatriate staff DO NOT employ them on expat terms. Thus, no financial benefit in localising. Additionally, there are no 'local' pilots in HKG. There's no GA sector, no regional airlines, no Sammy CPL's flying meat bombers on weekends to draw from. ALL pilots (save cadets from CX/KA) are expats. So to wantonly fire 14 professional, motivated and QUALIFIED gwailoh pilots amounts to nothing more than ethnic cleansing. History has shown (Zimbabwe, Malaysia, etc) that when people are employed on the basis of race and not merit...inefficiency and inadequacy result. Whilst that may be tolerable in an accounting firm, a consultancy or your local Park N Shop....it has FATAL CONSEQUENCES in an aeroplane. Darwinian theory should be culling the incompetent so only the strongest survive (to pilot transport category aircraft). Singapore Mafia: Missing your Satay and Otak Otak BBQ on East Coast Park? Well keep some in the fridge ladies cos you'll soon have the charred remains of a 737 to roast them over. |
The truth
I would love to see all the airlines in Hong Kong trying their best to localize their pilot teams. Although it takes time, "There is a dream, there is a will.":ok: Moreover, I would like to see every pilot in this planet will get his/her pay rise in which meet his/her desire. Unfortunately it doesn't happen as what I wish.
I have my sympathy with what you all are earning now. Since you all have to live in a city with such a high living cost. No matter how you scream in this forum, it won't change the fact that this is how it is. I wonder what happened to your own race, when they were in charge of the flight department. Why didn't they fight a better package for you all? Otherwise, you all don't have to scream at the tip of your lungs for a better conditions & terms now. In addition, why did they have to suggest or accept such an intolerant of package from the company in the first place anyway:=? The previous flight department should have known how high the living cost is in Hong Kong. Moreover, they should have also known how good the packages are in KA & CX.:ugh: When you all first joined the airlines, you had already comprehended how much you would make monthly 'cause it should be specified in the contract, which means you have been mentally prepared to stand for the low salary for a couple of years until you have enough experiences to walk away (if this is what you have planned.) :oh:If I were you all, I wouldn't just scream and yell in this forum. I would escalate it into next level either strike or walk way right now.:oh: |
HKA needs to duplicate the model Jet & Kingfisher have used in India, the expats come in for 12-24 mths based on their expertise and are given clear expectations once there are enough local Indian pilots the expat will leave.
This kind of transparency does not create a rift between pilots and keeps the expats happy as the management has given the expectations in advance so no surprise let alone fire 14 qualified pilots.... We all know the "great" Capt L from CAAS...he created all kinds of hell at Alteon then 2 months later applied for a job :mad::mad::mad::ugh::{ any one has contact of N.H. pls pm me. thks. |
Dear S.E. Pilot,
some thoughts in response to your post: - You would like to see all of the airlines in HK localize their pilot workforce, do you mean only people from HK or the region? The point is moot really as the countries in the Asian region either have little or no General Aviation from which to draw pilots from. Not all former airforce pilots are suitable to fly in an airline either (the piloting of an aircraft by a former Indonesian Colonel in Phuket springs to mind). So where are all of these pilots going to come from to meet the unprecedented growth in the airlines of HK (and Asia)? Think the the new MPL will solve all problems? Think again, it really won't be much better than the current cadet schemes airlines like CX and KA already have in place in solving crewing problems, and as an afterthought of all of the applicants to these programs, how many people actually successfully pass and end up in the LHS? I suspect that ratio would be very small. - Thanks for your sympathy, here is some information as to how expensive HK is and how it has been increasing: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=ajQNUP59FCI4 http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/top...174117013.html Talking purely about rent and no other living costs, my apartment went up 20% after the first 2 year lease. Wages have certainly not even kept close to this sort of increase. - The previous Flight Ops management were fighting for better conditions for us, but, in typical Chinese style they were smiled at and lied to at the same time by the senior management and when their backs turned they were covered in knives. The package that the previous flt ops management presented to their bosses would have actaully kept people had it been approved. The current package presented by the new management is successful, in making people look for other jobs. Which is what they want anyway. -Finally strike or walk away? Well going on strike, what does that achieve? A good outcome for both the management and the pilots? I don't think so:hmm: So walk away huh? I think the evidence is pretty clear that this is already happening, as a colleague previously posted people are only waiting to get another job. I am unfotunately of the view as well that a smoking hole in the ground, over run etc is only a matter of time. |
Left Wing,
It is no use comparing HK to India, India has hundreds of young aspiring pilots with fresh cpl's, HK doesn't. Don't you think CX and KA would have hired them already if there were???:ugh: |
HKA Management: Down For The Count!
Any witnesses to round one of the "HKA Management versus the Rest" World Series at the Stars Bar on the 14th?
Apparently the score is 0-1, with the HKA management rep. down for a technical knockout in the first round. He was apparently feeling a little "Wu-zy". :ok: |
Hey Sandu, before you start pulling the "there's nothing wrong with our standards, you are just racists" card, you may wish to check the following FACTS. I know that it is the local custom to pretend that a problem does not exist and that if you deny it for long enough the problem may just go away, but this WILL NOT. :ok:
Indonesia takes air safety standards back five years Steve Creedy, Aviation writer | December 03, 2007 AIR safety has taken a significant backwards step, with crashes in Indonesia helping push this year's global aviation accident rate back to 2002 levels. The disappointing slip came after a decade-long campaign by international airlines to halve the accident rate produced the safest 12 months on record last year. A reminder of Indonesia's troubled air system came at the weekend when one of the country's busiest airports, at Medan, was closed indefinitely after a fire razed the domestic passenger terminal. Preliminary results for this calendar year from the International Air Transport Association show an accident rate of 0.9 aircraft losses for every million flights, up from 0.65 for 2006. Crashes in Indonesia, including the fatal accident at Yogyakarta that killed five Australians in March, pushed the Asia-Pacific rate up to a sobering 3.27 losses for every million flights. The increase in the accident rate comes at a time the aviation industry is growing at 5-6 per cent a year and means the absolute number of crashes will rise accordingly. It also undermines a push by the International Air Transport Association to cut the accident rate by a further 25 per cent by the end of next year. IATA director-general Giovanni Bisignani described the result as "a big step backwards". He said some areas were doing well and there had been no accidents in the Middle East or North Africa. IATA's work with Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States had also helped to turn the worst safety record of last year into a clean slate so far. Europe and North America also reported improvements, while North Asia suffered one total aircraft loss but still had an accident rate below the global average. The international airline group blamed three areas for the increase: the Asia-Pacific, Brazil and Africa. Mr Bisignani said tragic accidents pushed up the Latin American total aircraft loss rate to 2.52, while the Indonesian crashes increased the Asia-Pacific rate to 3.27. In Africa, a more dispersed and unrelated set of accidents increased the rate from an already bad rate of 4.31 to 6.04. "We are a global industry and flying must be safe everywhere," Mr Bisginani said. IATA had established partnerships with Indonesia and Brazil to improve the situation with practical measures and was working in Africa. The IATA prediction comes after the European Union recently voted to maintain its ban on Indonesian airlines because Australia's northern neighbour had failed to make enough progress in improving its troubled aviation system. All Indonesian carriers, including flag carrier Garuda, were banned earlier this year from landing at EU airports. The director of aviation safety and environment for the EU, Roberto Salvarani, said during a recent visit to Australia Indonesia had made some progress but this was marginal compared with the restructuring needed. |
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