HKA DFO Resigns....
 

Well..

The day has come.:ugh:


The bastards in the far corner have forced him out.

Eric the Idiot must be cumming in his wet shorts.

This should be a clear sign to everyone left @ HKA that its over.

Back your bloody bags.

I heard that the resignation was withdrawn. So whats the story now, another day another shovel of bulltwang?

Email tonight from SnrMgt confirming his resignation.

Excellent news, now maybe the snowball may increase in size as it comes rolling down the ice covered slippery slope. Good luck to him and may he find an employer who will treat him well with the respect that his experience and knowledge deserves. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D (take not bogan.......a good example for ya)

I think I know the DFO at HKA

Are his initial GR, an Aussie?

thanks

Yes.

It's too bad. I thought we may have been looking at progress finally. Now it's going to get really bad.

What sort of support are the pilots of HKA giving the former GMF? As I understand he was doing everything for his pilots and also gave the "big break" to alot of guys.

Shouldnt there be some sort of comradery shown to him? Isnt it time the the rest of the pilots stood up and challenged management directly? In the airline industry if the pilots dont unite then the management will walk all over them...as is the case with HKA.

Salary wise you guys are getting the short end of the stick. Is there a reasom for this? I am sure that Hainan has ALOT of money to invest in HKA...but at the end of the day the pilots arent mainlanders who work for peanuts and fly like monkeys!

looks like things are getting really ugly :( where is the support guys ?

To Those Who Thinks They Know GR....
 

From a very reliable source.....
He is not who he claims to be, the truth is out and he's been allowed a graceful exit. Very big of "senior management", i must add.
Guess his lies caught up with him finally.....
To those about to come to his defence, please check your facts first.

GR was prone to be a bit of over optimism..as well as spreading the truth a bit lightly. He also made promises which could not be kept. However, he did have the best of intentions for the pilots and there was no malice or alterior motive in any of his actions. He was basically what you see is what you get. One of the few guys who says what he feels and will tell you to your face if you need telling off. Lets not forget that he has indeed given many their first jet jobs!
For so long now, he was playing the game of trying to please both sides and keeping everyone happy. In so doing, he has alienated many of the pilots who were tired of his promises.
So for the guys who are not in the company, please don't go on about this "all for one and one for all" stuff. He's not been sacked he's voluntarily resigned, which in some circles may sound like a sacking, but if you know GR, he was probably so pissed off that he did resign, he's still a TRE and he's still hanging around, and for all we know he's done everyone a favour, especially if management now see the full anger that is amongst the ranks of the pilots.
I'm sure GR being the chap he is, has been shielding the management of how the pilots really feel. Once they know the true feelings, they may reconsider their actions..which may not be a good thing!!

Also from a reliable source GR is what you see is what you get and that he is an AMAZING guy! Then again people who couldnt be patient got up and left and spread CRAP about GR. These guys who had left had obviously known what they were in for when they joined HKA....they had obviuously come from a worse off position. If they werent happy at HKA or their previous job then these guts will not be happy anywhere...only to jump from job to job! I agree with Beerboy although his broken promises were not lies...it was merely what he wanted his pilots to get. Why would he resign from his position? I am guessing that he was frustrated with management. His vision for his pilots was never treated as serious. We must realise that if HKA had a western style management many of GR's 'wishes' would have come true but with the mainland bosses it was like banging his head against a brick wall! :ugh:
Before people start accusing GR of things maybe they should realise what situation he was in...ie trying to do the best for his pilots and trying to get a balance from management. What was wrong with what he said "false promises"....all he did was do his best! What would he get from lying to his pilots???

Dragonspice,

I agree to a point.

I don't believe GR would maliciously want to lie to us , and he did do his best to try and increase our conditions.

That said, he was paid to keep pilots @ HKA. I would expect him to encourage people to stay.

Either way, if this Singaporean muppet shows, all Gwelio are screwed.

People...... we are not talking about his time in HKA.....
We are referring to his past, and about the 'wonderful' memories he had of his flying career, when he was composing his rather formidable and impressive "CV".
Would suppose those are pretty much the same "memories" he told everyone he meets too?

'What-you-see-is-what-you-get'?

How often in the REAL world do you get that?

Are you really that gullible? :rolleyes:

or is that actually you replying, GR?
From your "now public records", won't be surprised.....:=:=:=

Not sure why you are trying to slander the guy.
True or not or othewise.
He resigned of his own choice, due to Snr.Mgnt's inability to the think outside the chopstick.
We have had our differences, he and I, but I don't doubt for a second, he ALWAYS worked to try and improve things for the guys. Whether that worked or not, is secondary. His heart was in the right place

AAIGUY

It's not slander, if it's TRUE ...... :confused:

Anyway, not about to get into a debate with you.....
Do not believe everything you hear, and your version of recent events is inaccurate....

Hoofharted
"I heard that the resignation was withdrawn. So whats the story now, another day another shovel of bulltwang?"

He did resign previously, from his appointment. But when asked to leave the company, HE withdrew the letter..... So much for conviction! :p:p:p

More recently?
We will all know the truth ....... sooner rather than later in this case.... :ok:

Highspeed, sounds like that very reliable source seems to be yourself.

As for those wonderful stories, well I really couldn't care less, as I already stated he's very colorful with his words. What I do know is that during his tenure, he's always tried to fight for the underdog, he's always tried to give guys a chance, guys who might not have ever had a chance at a jet job. He's made mistakes of giving guys a command when they shouldn't have been given one and then had the same guys turn on him when they weren't up to the job.
I base my opinion on what I know and that he is not perfect( as if anyone is) but that he genuinely wants to help.

Dragon, if you don't work here, then I would wonder where you get all this information on how badly we've treating GR. I would suggest to your source to get some facts straight:

1) Guys have been promised a command since the arrival of the first 737, well over 14 months ago, I know these guys and they would fit in well anywhere, very professional and great pilots. They are angry and rightly so.

2) As for the chaps who have left, they were made to believe things that did not turn up in the contract, things which GR had promised them. If you want to say that GR did not lie,then fair enough,in the end these guys decided enough was enough and good on them.

3) GR gets on very well with the mainland bosses, he's never had problem with them and they've been the reason why he's been in his job for so long. The people that he has been fighting against are the old CR management as well as HKCAD. misquoted from GR himself.

Beerboy...I totally agree with you. You might have misunderstood me regarding you guys treating GR badly....It was not my intention to get that message accross. Its was more probably inline with the comment you made later...ie He's made mistakes of giving guys a command when they shouldn't have been given one and then had the same guys turn on him when they weren't up to the job.

And as for HIGHSPEEDPASS's "He did resign previously, from his appointment. But when asked to leave the company, HE withdrew the letter..... So much for conviction!". Do you guys really think that HKA would ask him to leave...especially with the shortage of captains and training captains??? I doubt that very much. GR has been and always will be an asset to HKA (for any airline for that matter). I might not be directly involved with HKA but I know this guy personally. I have heard many great things about GR. I know for a fact that his C & T ability is well above average.

And what if he has had a "PAST".....thats what it exactly is...his "PAST"...so leave it in the "PAST". HIGHSPEEDPASS might have an unblemished flying record and an ability to fly for NASA but slandering GR is uncalled for. He has done more right than wrong with my peers...and has alot of respect out there.

yeah regardless of the "PAST" ... GR has given many opportunity to many people and has helped many out there. He deserves the support for what he has fought for the guys in HKA.

Heard this new Singaporean HKA DFO was with AHK before and with his sneaky Singaporean buddies, they tried to destablelize AHK.
Well done to these SNAKES IN THE BUSH.
Big waves on the way, enough damage over AHK and they will soon be doing some "ethnic cleansing" with HKA...........Watch out ppl in HKA......:D

The Singapore's SNAKES IN THE BUSH are conducting interviews in Indonesia for HKA though officially they may not be employ. To use these 3rd class pilots for their "ethnic cleasing" agenda.
Have fun guys.............................:ok:

here comes the mess.

Time to organize strike action.

my goodness, those don't work here want to see a big drama:yuk:

Oh, such civility here....... :rolleyes:
"Lets not slander each other", it was requested (courtesy not extended to EC, of course). While we are having a few pokes at "E", why not go slander and slime the rest of the "uncivilised" world as well?
It would almost seem pointless to carry on, but in all fairness to the affected, especially the wretched still toiling with HKA, the final couple of corrections/advises.
Sure, not many of us would have sweet thoughts of the authorities, even if we dug really deep. But why would so many (or maybe, just a few, with many names) slander 'ONE'? Is there some hidden agenda? Perhaps trying to discredit? :hmm:
When mostly, if not all the Almighty "E" was doing, is his job.
When FOP management is incompetent, it shows in the standards and discipline of operations. That 'idiot' E was just trying to keep those operating under these conditions alive, and not have your "Extremely High" 1st world standards compromised.
First Officers of HKA - It was a convenient "untruth" that upgrades were halted by CAD, SURE it was, and it will be, long as the present FOP managers are allowed to continue seeking approvals for pathetically constructed courses.
Much more...... but let's leave it to those really affected, start seeing with their own eyes, the mess their "managers" created (which will be left behind, when they are forced to leave), make up their own minds.
It was exactly GR's "PAST" that got you here, certain "embellishments" to his credentials got him to where he can do you such damage. His amateurish attempts have cost all of you dearly, and belied his lack of experience and exposed his inadequacies.
Not too much longer, lets hope. Anyway, the REAL truth will be spoken soon, and all of this would be moot, as shall this entire string.
To our comrades everywhere in the flying community outside of the fox-hole we have dug for ourselves here, many apologies for the extremely unkind comments posted. Please ignore them, for they do not reflect the true sentiments of the majority, am sure.
To generalise and condemn by nationalities, race or groupings of any sort is completely uncalled for and reeks of racism. :=
There are scores of these "foreigners" operating with some of the safest airlines in the world, and most if not all of us, would agree that professionalism and proficiency in aviation are not attributes found solely in the western world. :ok:
Unsafe and dangerous operations or practices are in most cases, a by-product of poor organisational management and oversight (not as "many" bigots here have claimed, or implied, the shortcomings or limitations of individuals from any defined nation or culture)
If GR and his "PAST" is permitted to continue haunting HKA, that's where it will end up. :}
As for the rest of the "untruths", will not waste any more time on it, more smearing by the SAME "few" individuals. Starting to see a familiar style and pattern here? Again? :rolleyes: :yuk::yuk::yuk:
GR and Assoc. - The End Is Near ...... or is it already here?
Time to give thanks? Seems like the right time of the year. :D:D
The Affected - Hope things turn out fine, should know soon. :sad:
To The Rest - Have a Blessed Thanksgiving Weekend, have fun. :ok:
FINAL POST, as implied, High Speed Pass............ :)

Highspeed..
Are you sure you don't have a personal beef with GR? For someone who only gets the info second hand you seem to have an unhealthy obsession in getting the "truth" out there. This source of yours must be real persuasive..

Highspeed Pass,

You're so wrong about Eric "the idiot" its almost comical.

The course was a carbon copy of other HKCAD approved courses.

The ONLY reason is was not approved, is that The Idiot wanted a command.

EC was probably with one of the so called CR Airways "TOP GUN ARGIE AIRFORCE PILOTS" who are not training captains! Heard lots about them!

HSP, you sound very much like a former work mate of the person you so vehemently attack here on this forum, and indeed if this is the case, and if you are who I think you are, your own history is even shakier than than the one you are so critical of.

I don't see the point of your attacking one individual, apart from a personal vendetta, and ignoring the bigger picture of what's going on in HKA.

Care to explain?

knackeredII....:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

BRAVO BRAVO....well said!

Watch it guys.... the singaporean mob is comming, including the medicallly grounded AHK mgnt pilot..DFO to be...so mention by earlier tread.."Singaporen snakes in the bush"..lured by the CAD Eric!!!:rolleyes:

just read this topic...very pathetic trying to blame Indonesian pilots, saying 3rd class pilot
I can see that you all guys are better than Indonesian pilots...aren't you?

I guess better may not be the word for it. However, being banned from Europe probably gives a sign on the state of the safety issues that Indonesian airlines face. "Safer" or more aware of what safety actually means, may well be the reason that we consider our Indonesian cousins to be more of a danger in the aviation industry.
Blame us all you like, being racist or whatever, but until Indonesian airlines are allowed back into Europe as well as a general clean up of the safety issues that Indonesian airlines face( not isolated to Indonesia, but clearly highlighted with the recent accident record) then unfortunately Indonesian pilots will have a bad rep.

ICAO n FAA they dont banned all Indonesian Airlines..only EU...interesting..
funny part..when they(EU team doing audit) were on the way to jakarta..they pulled out the ban..
I am thinking to send letter to press that AHK is not a safe airlines..coz so many indonesian pilots inside

chill mates ... let's not get too "HOT" here.

Mr. Sandu, "I am thinking to send letter to press that AHK is not a safe airlines..coz so many indonesian pilots inside "

This is not AHK if you do pay a little more attention reading clearly on the topic and posts made here.

Well I do have to agree that carriers in Indonesia now currently have the highest records with concern to safety and accidents.

Let'd not just simply name someone "mafia" but at the rate he is going and the word going around town hmmm alot of funny things are happening behind closed doors ? If "mafia" is really a "mafia" i guess he wouldn't be getting alot of support from the present guys and probably alot of disagreement.

is the airline...not the pilot..
so many working with big airline outside...including me.
just be profesional...safe flight

AirHK(the freighter airlines under CX) currently got an Indonesian pilots! Safety not only just simply is pilot bodies!

Singaporean Plot
 

Beware....one of the Singaporean mafia has already written in a recruitement letter that local pilots will be employed to replace "whites".

Yeah, well good luck with that. What are they gonna do, head down to the local aeroclub where all the unemployed local jet pilots hang out? If there were any unemployed HK locals meeting HKA experience requirements (and unable to earn more elsewhere..) they'd already be hired. HKA has always had the door wide open to locals, just the same as CX and KA (otherwise they would not be able to sponsor any work permits for expats)

They can wish and wish as hard as they like, but without a happy, stable and mostly expat workforce their long term growth will be stunted at best. With supposedly 7-10 more 737s coming next year starting Q1 and the first of 20 A330-200 deliveries in Q4, it'll be pay or park time in 2008 :ok:

Pay or Park