Career Destruction !
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Career Destruction !
From the relative sanity of Europe all I can see is ....
* New Pilots joining CX weekly
* Everybody ignoring the AoA and IFALPA Ban
* CX making acceptable profits
* Contract Compliance irrelevant
* More ads for Cadets
What I hear is....
* AoA defections increasing
* No chance of 49rs getting reemployed
* Nobody at CX refusing promotions
* Disaffection at the AoA Subsidy continuing
* Worry about the AoA's threatened October escalation of action
* Anger at the AoA refusal to drop Contract Compliance in order
to meet with CX management
Outsiders suggestion is.....
1. Get new AoA management team
2. Talk to CX Management
Upside.......
1. Careers enhanced.
2. Stress Levels Fall
3. Families Happy again
4. Lifestyle stability
5. Enhanced success of CX hence better career prospects
Downside....
A few egotistical and self centred 'negotiators' get on their horses and ride into the sunset !!!
Yippieeee ey ehhhhhhhh !!!
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From: All the leaves are brown, and the sky is grey....
Confused...?
The ban is being ignored, all courses are full....... but, according to the AOA VCD Ive just watched (on this glorious typhoon 8 day)..... THE BAN IS WORKING.
......... it is officially a fact. Whats is now up for debate is the definition of "working".
More tea vicar?
......... it is officially a fact. Whats is now up for debate is the definition of "working".
More tea vicar?
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From: the rez
If all courses are full then why are they advertising on AEPS? I would think paying someone to gather people you don't need is a bit redundant.
They aren't full. You are being lied to or maybe even telling porkies yourself.
And by the way, great show of support! Why are you still a memeber?
They aren't full. You are being lied to or maybe even telling porkies yourself.
And by the way, great show of support! Why are you still a memeber?
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From: Hong Kong
Courses are definitely filled into next year, but there are plenty more spaces to be filled yet. Given the high number of applicants and the high standard they are mainly displaying then all spots will be eventually filled. If China opens up then expect even more recruitment and more ads everywhere.
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From: All the leaves are brown, and the sky is grey....
6ftunder.... fair enough. Maybe the sticker should read 95% AOA?
I cannot, hand on heart, support a ban and take an upgrade! I also cannot ask the newbies to carry the can when I am not willing to go the extra mile.
Like many Ive listened to the company "facts", the AOA "facts" and the "facts" put forward on this forum by the likes of you, benji and shortly. They are often so contradictory that it is obvious someone is out-right lying. (and not always the same person?) As it is my career, I have a duty to listen to and weigh up the arguments..... then I decide.
I support the AOA conceptually but I cannot support the ban.
One mans education is another mans intimidation. I am willing to listen and learn but please dont tell me how to think. The "youre either with us, or ag'in us argument" is fatally flawed because if we're asked to go over the top into the company machine guns..... we wont go.
I cannot, hand on heart, support a ban and take an upgrade! I also cannot ask the newbies to carry the can when I am not willing to go the extra mile.
Like many Ive listened to the company "facts", the AOA "facts" and the "facts" put forward on this forum by the likes of you, benji and shortly. They are often so contradictory that it is obvious someone is out-right lying. (and not always the same person?) As it is my career, I have a duty to listen to and weigh up the arguments..... then I decide.
I support the AOA conceptually but I cannot support the ban.
One mans education is another mans intimidation. I am willing to listen and learn but please dont tell me how to think. The "youre either with us, or ag'in us argument" is fatally flawed because if we're asked to go over the top into the company machine guns..... we wont go.
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From: Arizona USA
Get used to it 6FU...ain't going to change in your lifetime, I suspect.
The AOA missed their opportunity to change things a very long time ago. Should have listened then...but had their collective minds(?) made up, never mind the facts.
The AOA missed their opportunity to change things a very long time ago. Should have listened then...but had their collective minds(?) made up, never mind the facts.
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
6feetunder,
I do know victims of this whole mess personally- Former AN pilots who have either turned down Cathay and lost everything (Unrelated to the ban, but we just had another suicide. I know you had one, but this is our third including one of my best freinds), or joined and now face a career marred by the intimidation promised by your lot.
For some reason, do you think your freinds are more worthy than mine?
I do know victims of this whole mess personally- Former AN pilots who have either turned down Cathay and lost everything (Unrelated to the ban, but we just had another suicide. I know you had one, but this is our third including one of my best freinds), or joined and now face a career marred by the intimidation promised by your lot.
For some reason, do you think your freinds are more worthy than mine?
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From: Boldly going where no split infinitive has gone before..
Well is that's how much you care about fellow pilots, is it suprising so many are telling you where to stick your ban and joining Cathay in defiance of you?
Go the Flag Carrier !!!
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From: GC Paradise
Your parents are fighting
Good luck to you and all who sail on her.
The SCMP reports today that your major shareholderr CNAC is doing a number on the other major shareholder, Swire et al.
The reporter also writes that there has been a concerted effort from certain parties for him to "colour" the picture in their favourite shade.
The SCMP reports today that your major shareholderr CNAC is doing a number on the other major shareholder, Swire et al.
The reporter also writes that there has been a concerted effort from certain parties for him to "colour" the picture in their favourite shade.
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From: Hong Kong
What Ban?
With over 170 new joiners since the AOA committe instigated (NOT the AOA Membership) 'ban' one could ask 'What ban?' It is only hollow words from ND and friends.
At last count with over 1600 pilots and less than 1000 AOA members, with 20 more new joiners every month and normal retirements and 'quitters' leaving the AOA, the AOA is now an ineffective and irrelevant club of fools.
If only we had a professional body to look after our interests. The cancer of the AOA mis-leadership has competely busted the AOA. And they have down this with my $ and future. These are the scum I will not share a beer with nor welcome into my cockpit.
At last count with over 1600 pilots and less than 1000 AOA members, with 20 more new joiners every month and normal retirements and 'quitters' leaving the AOA, the AOA is now an ineffective and irrelevant club of fools.
If only we had a professional body to look after our interests. The cancer of the AOA mis-leadership has competely busted the AOA. And they have down this with my $ and future. These are the scum I will not share a beer with nor welcome into my cockpit.
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From: up here, everyone looks like ants!
Dear pilot etc., thanks for your outburst.
I trust that one of DT's, NR's or KB's deputies will report this to them. The state of affairs is truly appalling and it needs to be addressed with urgency. If this animosity is as widespread as I believe it is, it won't be long before we see a brushwing on CNN's "breaking news".
It's time to put the personality and "face" issues aside and get down to the business of professional aviation. CX deserves better than the past 18 months (and 9 years(!)) There can be no winners in this.
This has to end before it becomes another "You won't believe this" anecdote in CRM classrooms.
I trust that one of DT's, NR's or KB's deputies will report this to them. The state of affairs is truly appalling and it needs to be addressed with urgency. If this animosity is as widespread as I believe it is, it won't be long before we see a brushwing on CNN's "breaking news".
It's time to put the personality and "face" issues aside and get down to the business of professional aviation. CX deserves better than the past 18 months (and 9 years(!)) There can be no winners in this.
This has to end before it becomes another "You won't believe this" anecdote in CRM classrooms.
