September & October Rostering

[Frank W. Abagnale]

Originally Posted by main_dog

All I want is my B scale contract back, the one I signed in good faith with my employer all those years ago. A contract is an agreement between two parties, I have always abided by my side of it.

If at the first opportunity the employer unilaterally pulls out and imposes a far less valuable policy document instead, trust is irreparably broken.

Don’t try to frame this as some Spitfire-owning primadonna hissy-fit, we are hard-working professionals who agreed to uproot their families and come make their lives in HK, with the contractual certainty of their spouses and children being taken care of with decent medical insurance, housing assistance and schooling (like most expats in HK).

No Bentleys to be seen here.

B-Scale back ????

You could consider yourself lucky if you kept the present COS18 conditions.
The advent of (unemployed) Mainlanders will lead to more and more pressure to salaries in Cathay over time and within the next 10 years your jobs might be filled by Mainland Chinese.

[main_dog]

Realistically speaking, you’re probably correct. But if the question is, “what do you want?”, then that is my answer. “What I signed for”.

Ideally without being accused of being some histrionic primadonna. Plenty of profit-making carriers out there that have gone back to pre-covid contractual remuneration packages or better, LH, AF, any North American carrier, even EK. Not us.

[Dingleberry Handpump]

The dead departure concourse as of 7pm tells you everything.

I spent a decade dodging crowds at all times of day and night in HKIA. Now everything is shut at 7 and it’s early Covid in terms of foot traffic. The money left on the table by forcing the exodus must be completely dwarfing the wage savings.

Those that have left (myself included) are in a far better place both short and long term, than the miserable, dirty, ****hole that we left.

I had almost forgotten how unfriendly the locals are. It all came flooding back though.

What would it take for me to consider a return - or to answer the multiple pleading emails? Nothing that CX or HK can provide, and the managers can rot in the knowledge that even the ones that masquerade as ‘the good guys’ are contemptible and complicit, and hated by all they survey.

Are the CPs still going around fleet forums telling everyone that CX is better than the airlines taking your colleagues in with open arms? Hahahaha. Good one.

[Progress Wanchai]

Originally Posted by main_dog

All I want is my B scale contract back, the one I signed in good faith with my employer all those years ago. A contract is an agreement between two parties, I have always abided by my side of it.

If at the first opportunity the employer unilaterally pulls out and imposes a far less valuable policy document instead, trust is irreparably broken.

Don’t try to frame this as some Spitfire-owning primadonna hissy-fit, we are hard-working professionals who agreed to uproot their families and come make their lives in HK, with the contractual certainty of their spouses and children being taken care of with decent medical insurance, housing assistance and schooling (like most expats in HK).

No Bentleys to be seen here.

Seriously?
You signed a contract with a company that..

Used sign or be fired against the A scalers in 1999.
Illegally sacked 49 of your colleagues in 2001.
Ripped up a rostering agreement in 2015.
Refused to comply with the contractual agreement of the Adelaide instructors.
Has a 30 year history of unilaterally altering the terms of engineering, cabin crew and ground crew.

But trust wasn’t irreparably broken until they eventually came for you in 2020?

All you want is what you signed up for? Then why did you enter industrial action and then twice vote down improvements on what you signed up for saying the improvements were grossly inadequate? In 2018 it was an 80% NO vote. That’s a rather clear message about what you think is a suitable package to live in HK.

Have management held your head so far under water that you’d now vote YES if TA18 was back on the table? Or even less, COS08 with no improvements?
Or as you like to say, what you signed up for.

[VforVENDETTA]

Originally Posted by Frank W. Abagnale

B-Scale back ????

You could consider yourself lucky if you kept the present COS18 conditions.
The advent of (unemployed) Mainlanders will lead to more and more pressure to salaries in Cathay over time and within the next 10 years your jobs might be filled by Mainland Chinese.

That very well may be. But until then, toxic environment and lots of complaints will keep getting worse. I actually want to laugh my a$$ off seeing how cathay does with mainlander pilots.

[Cavallier]

I think anyone here who thinks or believes that COS18 is the end of the cutting is delusional. Just think, there is a very early draft copy on some managers desk of COS26 or 28 or 29 as we speak. Question is when will people say ‘enough is enough’ ????

[raven11]

Having quit, three years ago, rather than accept their draconian sign or be fired edict, I can only marvel at how much happier I am now that I am away from that toxic environment. The palatable hatred and contempt the airline held for their pilots was constantly enabled by a frightened flight ops management team that lacked the masculinity, courage and moral certainty to object.

V for Vendetta is spot on. To those poor individuals who feel there are no other options in the free world you are catastrophically wrong. Like pulling a band aid from a hardened scab, gather the courage to pack up and leave. You will be happier for it and your family will thank you. To those considering a move to Hong Kong please have your heads examined.

[cygnet78]

Originally Posted by VforVENDETTA

Yes many waiting to come. But unfortunately only 20% of the many who want to come are passing the sim ride. You see, many cannot fly. They are leaving and many who cannot fly still cannot come. Hahaha

20% passing rate. well it will change for sure. nothing to do with the ability to fly, its the cx pilots who conduct the assesment biased.

[VforVENDETTA]

Originally Posted by cygnet78

20% passing rate. well it will change for sure. nothing to do with the ability to fly, its the cx pilots who conduct the assesment biased.

Tightening the sim ride standards back up was a direct result of hired candidates who struggled in training. And a number of those with fake logbooks who struggled to perform and were found out to have fake logbooks. It wasn't decided by cathay pilots who conduct interview sim rides. It was decided by training management.

[Zi Peng]

Originally Posted by cygnet78

20% passing rate. well it will change for sure. nothing to do with the ability to fly, its the cx pilots who conduct the assesment biased.

I guess landing gears are telling a different story these days !
The sim assessment is basic stuff really, I don’t remember it as particularly difficult.
If you struggle you just can’t get the job.

[Gaisha]

There are so many options in the Middle East these days with BIG money and commuting options … anyone that stays in CX deserves all the heartache from the company. That goes for the locals as much as the non locals. Vote with your feet and move beyond Cathay.

[airdualbleedfault]

Originally Posted by lucille

Jeez…

No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?

Quelle Horreur! How could I exist on such miserable conditions. Do they not know who I am?

Clue: That (Skygod) A Scale puppy has long been euthanised. Welcome to the hard scrabble worldworld.

Congratulations, dumbest effing thing I've read on the internet this week, thanks very much for stealing 30 seconds of my life