September & October Rostering
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September & October Rostering
According to the rumour mill, it would appear that the Sept to Oct period is where the training resources, crew resources and aircraft resources are finally starting to stretch to their limits. The 'rebuild and recover' has finally started to hit up against those lack of required resources. Talking with friends, based on the current roster, we are so busy that almost none of us could legally work a G day - even if they called and offered us the extra pennies.
It would definitely be a crying shame if the sickness rates increased this month. A damn shame.
It would definitely be a crying shame if the sickness rates increased this month. A damn shame.
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According to the rumour mill, it would appear that the Sept to Oct period is where the training resources, crew resources and aircraft resources are finally starting to stretch to their limits. The 'rebuild and recover' has finally started to hit up against those lack of required resources. Talking with friends, based on the current roster, we are so busy that almost none of us could legally work a G day - even if they called and offered us the extra pennies.
It would definitely be a crying shame if the sickness rates increased this month. A damn shame.
It would definitely be a crying shame if the sickness rates increased this month. A damn shame.
Normally when you want something you ask for it. So what are you asking for? A 5% rise? 10%? COS08? Housing or provident fund back? A rostering agreement? Bases? What do you want exactly?
Crying and table thumping is standard cx pilot behaviour. Being mature enough to have a well defined objective and strategy to get there is not.
Get together and decide what it is the pilot body wants.
Present it to management.
If the company is belligerent then decide upon an organized and published industrial campaign until a suitable compromise can be met.
Alternatively, continue crying.
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A crying shame for who?
Normally when you want something you ask for it. So what are you asking for? A 5% rise? 10%? COS08? Housing or provident fund back? A rostering agreement? Bases? What do you want exactly?
Crying and table thumping is standard cx pilot behaviour. Being mature enough to have a well defined objective and strategy to get there is not.
Get together and decide what it is the pilot body wants.
Present it to management.
If the company is belligerent then decide upon an organized and published industrial campaign until a suitable compromise can be met.
Alternatively, continue crying.
Normally when you want something you ask for it. So what are you asking for? A 5% rise? 10%? COS08? Housing or provident fund back? A rostering agreement? Bases? What do you want exactly?
Crying and table thumping is standard cx pilot behaviour. Being mature enough to have a well defined objective and strategy to get there is not.
Get together and decide what it is the pilot body wants.
Present it to management.
If the company is belligerent then decide upon an organized and published industrial campaign until a suitable compromise can be met.
Alternatively, continue crying.
You want to float the idea of industrial action? GH’s statement to the board when there were rumours swirling about it was: “It does not bother us, we have the law on our side.” They would rather sack pilots and get a company to fly their routes than give in to pilot body demands.
The best we can do is to show them the package is not acceptable and walk. The problem with that is, the survey from what I heard focuses too much on the metrics the company selects and nothing on anything that is of great concern.
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Okay, and you think management will listen? The pilot body makes noise, yet management is deaf!
You want to float the idea of industrial action? GH’s statement to the board when there were rumours swirling about it was: “It does not bother us, we have the law on our side.” They would rather sack pilots and get a company to fly their routes than give in to pilot body demands.
The best we can do is to show them the package is not acceptable and walk. The problem with that is, the survey from what I heard focuses too much on the metrics the company selects and nothing on anything that is of great concern.
You want to float the idea of industrial action? GH’s statement to the board when there were rumours swirling about it was: “It does not bother us, we have the law on our side.” They would rather sack pilots and get a company to fly their routes than give in to pilot body demands.
The best we can do is to show them the package is not acceptable and walk. The problem with that is, the survey from what I heard focuses too much on the metrics the company selects and nothing on anything that is of great concern.
You ain’t walking.
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I ask again a simple question.
What do you want before you cancel your supposed sick out campaign?
The peculiar thing about cx pilots is they can’t define what they want other than it’s something more than they’ve currently got. It’s the industrial campaign of a two year old spoiled brat.
What do you want before you cancel your supposed sick out campaign?
The peculiar thing about cx pilots is they can’t define what they want other than it’s something more than they’ve currently got. It’s the industrial campaign of a two year old spoiled brat.
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What they want is and has always been very clear. The same compensation package it took to entice them to come to hk and work for cx in the first place.
Who would ever be so delusional to think if you take away the things which were necessary to get people to come work for cathay in the first place are cut in half, they would stay. Cathay has been banging its head against the wall for a ridiculously long time to stand operations back up and still now it's stuck at 40% and stalling.
Of course giving a 100% pay & benefits rise which is putting it back to the previous level is admission of a major mistake. That is not an option for a colonial outfit like cathay. Instead, letting the ship sink is preferred by this lot.
it's also delusional for any pilot to think cathay is ever going to be an airline worth workimg for, at any price. Since Nov 2020 cathay is and forever will be a non-credible employer to work for. No employment contract. No expectation of anything from month to month.
Complaining and asking for more is futile. But for those left which are the ones with no other options, there's no other choice than to stay and complain. That's why they're still there and complaining. Even if restored to COS08 tomorrow, they'll still leave as soon as an option appears. Hell they leaving for Emirates left and right as we speak. That's saying a lot about how low cathay is.
Who would ever be so delusional to think if you take away the things which were necessary to get people to come work for cathay in the first place are cut in half, they would stay. Cathay has been banging its head against the wall for a ridiculously long time to stand operations back up and still now it's stuck at 40% and stalling.
Of course giving a 100% pay & benefits rise which is putting it back to the previous level is admission of a major mistake. That is not an option for a colonial outfit like cathay. Instead, letting the ship sink is preferred by this lot.
it's also delusional for any pilot to think cathay is ever going to be an airline worth workimg for, at any price. Since Nov 2020 cathay is and forever will be a non-credible employer to work for. No employment contract. No expectation of anything from month to month.
Complaining and asking for more is futile. But for those left which are the ones with no other options, there's no other choice than to stay and complain. That's why they're still there and complaining. Even if restored to COS08 tomorrow, they'll still leave as soon as an option appears. Hell they leaving for Emirates left and right as we speak. That's saying a lot about how low cathay is.
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I ask again a simple question.
What do you want before you cancel your supposed sick out campaign?
The peculiar thing about cx pilots is they can’t define what they want other than it’s something more than they’ve currently got. It’s the industrial campaign of a two year old spoiled brat.
What do you want before you cancel your supposed sick out campaign?
The peculiar thing about cx pilots is they can’t define what they want other than it’s something more than they’ve currently got. It’s the industrial campaign of a two year old spoiled brat.
They have to be forever as inefficient as they possibly can in every aspect of the job as long as they’re still there, or else they would be chumps for doing the same job for half the money in twice the toxic work environment.
You're not a chump, are you? Nevermind, don't answer that.
Call it whatever you like, sick-out, slow-down, etc. It's here to stay. Its the natural by-product of what cathay has done and will continueto do. If you don't like working in this negative and toxic environment, just leave. Otherwise get used to it and stop complaining.
Jeez…
No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?
Quelle Horreur! How could I exist on such miserable conditions. Do they not know who I am?
Clue: That (Skygod) A Scale puppy has long been euthanised. Welcome to the hard scrabble worldworld.
No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?
Quelle Horreur! How could I exist on such miserable conditions. Do they not know who I am?
Clue: That (Skygod) A Scale puppy has long been euthanised. Welcome to the hard scrabble worldworld.
short flights long nights
Jeez…
No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?
Quelle Horreur! How could I exist on such miserable conditions. Do they not know who I am?
Clue: That (Skygod) A Scale puppy has long been euthanised. Welcome to the hard scrabble worldworld.
No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?
Quelle Horreur! How could I exist on such miserable conditions. Do they not know who I am?
Clue: That (Skygod) A Scale puppy has long been euthanised. Welcome to the hard scrabble worldworld.
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Jeez…
No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?
Quelle Horreur! How could I exist on such miserable conditions. Do they not know who I am?
Clue: That (Skygod) A Scale puppy has long been euthanised. Welcome to the hard scrabble worldworld.
No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?
Quelle Horreur! How could I exist on such miserable conditions. Do they not know who I am?
Clue: That (Skygod) A Scale puppy has long been euthanised. Welcome to the hard scrabble worldworld.
They were still coming for B scale terms and happily staying. No shortage of qualified candidates existed then. No B scaler owened Bentley or a swan for that matter or property in somerset.
Your whole blabber is irrelevant. Stick to the subject.
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VforVENDETTA,
“What they want is and has always been very clear. The same compensation package it took to entice them to hk and work for cx in the first place.”
Hahahaha.
What rock have you been living under for the last decade??
In 2016 in exchange for calling off industrial action in the form of CC/TB the pilots were offered what enticed them to HK in the first place (COS08) plus 7% plus improved HKPA. Voted down.
in 2018 after the company self destructed in 2017 the pilots were offered COS08 plus 1% initially then further pay rises linked to inflation plus improvements to HKPA and rostering. Voted down.
So recent history suggests COS08 plus more is not enough. It needs to be COS08 plus more plus more. And that was five years ago. Since then the cost of living is up 20 to 30%. So if the pilots are consistent in what they think is enough to live in HK and work for CX whilst maintaining a reasonable standard of living they’ll have to be offered COS08 plus more plus more plus 20 to 30%.
It’s quite apparent the “compensation package it took to entice them to hk” is considered by the majority to be grossly inadequate.
So I ask ask again. What offer would it take to avert either formal or informal industrial action? Or is this supposed sickness just more chest beating and table thumping from the rabble raisers on the WhatsApp groups who can’t actually be bothered doing the hard yards of organising a coordinated campaign with a clear objective?
“What they want is and has always been very clear. The same compensation package it took to entice them to hk and work for cx in the first place.”
Hahahaha.
What rock have you been living under for the last decade??
In 2016 in exchange for calling off industrial action in the form of CC/TB the pilots were offered what enticed them to HK in the first place (COS08) plus 7% plus improved HKPA. Voted down.
in 2018 after the company self destructed in 2017 the pilots were offered COS08 plus 1% initially then further pay rises linked to inflation plus improvements to HKPA and rostering. Voted down.
So recent history suggests COS08 plus more is not enough. It needs to be COS08 plus more plus more. And that was five years ago. Since then the cost of living is up 20 to 30%. So if the pilots are consistent in what they think is enough to live in HK and work for CX whilst maintaining a reasonable standard of living they’ll have to be offered COS08 plus more plus more plus 20 to 30%.
It’s quite apparent the “compensation package it took to entice them to hk” is considered by the majority to be grossly inadequate.
So I ask ask again. What offer would it take to avert either formal or informal industrial action? Or is this supposed sickness just more chest beating and table thumping from the rabble raisers on the WhatsApp groups who can’t actually be bothered doing the hard yards of organising a coordinated campaign with a clear objective?
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No 65ft Swan. No two (his and hers) Bentleys in the garage.No pied-a-terre in Kensington, No 20 acre country seat in Somerset?
If at the first opportunity the employer unilaterally pulls out and imposes a far less valuable policy document instead, trust is irreparably broken.
Don’t try to frame this as some Spitfire-owning primadonna hissy-fit, we are hard-working professionals who agreed to uproot their families and come make their lives in HK, with the contractual certainty of their spouses and children being taken care of with decent medical insurance, housing assistance and schooling (like most expats in HK).
No Bentleys to be seen here.