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T8 full pay or no pay

Old 1st Sep 2023, 13:27
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T8 full pay or no pay

With the T8 the Hello Kitty crowd get the day(s) off on full pay, doing even less than an office day.

Flight Crew get their income slashed if their flight was canned, or have to fly risking all.


I hope no one is answering their phones or going the extra mile to help out.
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Old 1st Sep 2023, 13:35
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Why do you need to attack completely innocent office clerks in order to make your case? Do you have any idea how much they make? Leave, weekly hours, career options, do you know anything about their lives?
Disgraceful, really.

And everybody will answer as long as it serves them. Including you.
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Old 1st Sep 2023, 13:36
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FFS IF that’s true it’s ridiculous.

With so many positions available globally, can’t fathom the appeal of putting up with that and all the other nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
Why do you need to attack completely innocent office clerks in order to make your case? Do you have any idea how much they make? Leave, weekly hours, career options, do you know anything about their lives?
Disgraceful, really.

And everybody will answer as long as it serves them. Including you.
My post wasn't an attack on the office workers. It was to highlight how little respect flight crew (front and rear) are treated with.

And I am NOT answering my phone - ………

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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
Why do you need to attack completely innocent office clerks in order to make your case? Do you have any idea how much they make? Leave, weekly hours, career options, do you know anything about their lives?
Disgraceful, really.

And everybody will answer as long as it serves them. Including you.
Keep taking it up the rear STW. You are a professional embarrassment.
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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 00:43
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If you were rostered to fly and got cancelled can you still log it as typhoon experience in the logbook😄
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Keep taking it up the rear STW. You are a professional embarrassment.
You and everyone else would take the LAX turn in a heartbeat. That is the sad truth.

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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 02:46
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Originally Posted by HEALY
If you were rostered to fly and got cancelled can you still log it as typhoon experience in the logbook😄
To funny.......

They didn't go to work, so I'm guessing no pay....... well done on COS 18.

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Old 2nd Sep 2023, 10:38
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Same 5 people having their weekly little cry about CX.
PLEASE for the love of god next time you think about posting to PPRUNE just think: "Maybe I don't like my situation/CX/COS 18 or whatever it is, but ITS OK if other people do like it/are happy".
PLEASE just remember that next time you feel compelled to type another one of these crybaby posts.
carry on...
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
Why do you need to attack completely innocent office clerks in order to make your case? Do you have any idea how much they make? Leave, weekly hours, career options, do you know anything about their lives?
Disgraceful, really.

And everybody will answer as long as it serves them. Including you.
Only you would use ground staff to attack pilots conditions, cx canít wait until youíre a manager you donít seem to get it or your fully aware and support the fact that cx has a policy where they create a workplace whereby staff not just crew are stepping on each other. Any attempt to have conditions where crew are protected and therefore have no desire to get ahead is not desired.

So something wrong, how low would you like our or the cabin crewís pay to be before we donít get our pay docked for not being able to work like the ground staff? You seem to think cabin crew pay is considerably above ground staff or was that conveniently forgotten?
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Originally Posted by Avinthenews
Only you would use ground staff to attack pilots conditions, cx canít wait until youíre a manager you donít seem to get it or your fully aware and support the fact that cx has a policy where they create a workplace whereby staff not just crew are stepping on each other. Any attempt to have conditions where crew are protected and therefore have no desire to get ahead is not desired.

So something wrong, how low would you like our or the cabin crewís pay to be before we donít get our pay docked for not being able to work like the ground staff? You seem to think cabin crew pay is considerably above ground staff or was that conveniently forgotten?
When and where did I attack pilots conditions (sic) ??? What are you talking about??? Cabin crew pay?? Where and when did I even mention that?? Jesus, whats wrong with you people.

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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 11:57
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I think the OPís point is the inherent iniquity of a remuneration system which in any given month can see your income drop wildly through no fault of your own, for example due to weather cancellations, delays or aircraft maintenance issues, or even simply your rostered flight being assigned to someone else for training or operational expediency.

Highly demoralising, and roughly the equivalent of an office worker being told ďoh, donít bother coming in Tuesday or Wednesday this week, and obviously weíll be paying you 40% lessĒ.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 12:43
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Originally Posted by controlledrest
With the T8 the Hello Kitty crowd get the day(s) off on full pay, doing even less than an office day.

Flight Crew get their income slashed if their flight was canned, or have to fly risking all.


I hope no one is answering their phones or going the extra mile to help out.
Ask yourself what on earth youíve done to receive a cent more than youíre currently getting. You get what you deserve in life.

The strong have left, the weak remain.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 22:23
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Originally Posted by controlledrest
Flight Crew get their income slashed if their flight was canned, or have to fly risking all.
I think the only way to make peace with this is to assume base salary is your full salary. Any productivity needs to be viewed as a bonus, not something you will earn in a month.

In FF Kempis has stated that something closer to 70 hours is more appropriate for the threshold.

I assume his bye-bye bonus is linked to this as well, so another anal wart will float off to rot with full pockets.
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Old 3rd Sep 2023, 22:49
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong
You and everyone else would take the LAX turn in a heartbeat. That is the sad truth.
No princess, some of us have a backbone
Read what PW wrote
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 09:20
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Originally Posted by ZootBoot
I think the only way to make peace with this is to assume base salary is your full salary. Any productivity needs to be viewed as a bonus, not something you will earn in a month.

In FF Kempis has stated that something closer to 70 hours is more appropriate for the threshold.

I assume his bye-bye bonus is linked to this as well, so another anal wart will float off to rot with full pockets.
One of the recruiters sent their monthly roundup of contract jobs out there. On Base salary CX is literally the worst paying job in Asia on a widebody. The end can't come soon enough, an Air China takeover tomorrow would put us all on contracts that would be a hefty pay increase. Wrap your head around that for how far this airline has fallen.
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 12:42
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Originally Posted by ZootBoot
I think the only way to make peace with this is to assume base salary is your full salary. Any productivity needs to be viewed as a bonus, not something you will earn in a month.

In FF Kempis has stated that something closer to 70 hours is more appropriate for the threshold.

I assume his bye-bye bonus is linked to this as well, so another anal wart will float off to rot with full pockets.
Without any details that info doesn't mean anything.

Assuming that they are short of attracting enough pilots it could mean an increase of Basic Pay to the equivalent threshold of 70 hours to attract more people on a guaranteed pay.
Who knows ?
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Pickuptruck
One of the recruiters sent their monthly roundup of contract jobs out there. On Base salary CX is literally the worst paying job in Asia on a widebody. The end can't come soon enough, an Air China takeover tomorrow would put us all on contracts that would be a hefty pay increase. Wrap your head around that for how far this airline has fallen.
Cathay used to have access to only 7.5 Million people in Hongkong to find cadets.
With the opening to Mainland China they can tap a country of 1400 Million people to find cadets now.

Best case it takes 7 years to recruit a cadet and put him in the left hand seat.

With the present geopolitical situation I suspect that China could be a closed country for foreign pilots within the next 10-15 years.
All present expats might be replaced with Chinese (unemployed) people in a not so distant future.

'Expats' who might think that they still have a lifetime career ahead of them with Cathay might be in for a rude awakening at some point.

Keep your fingers crossed that this point won't coincide with a worldwide downturn then.
Either way their seniority will be gone and they have to start from scratch somewhere.
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 13:44
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Originally Posted by Pickuptruck
One of the recruiters sent their monthly roundup of contract jobs out there. On Base salary CX is literally the worst paying job in Asia on a widebody. The end can't come soon enough, an Air China takeover tomorrow would put us all on contracts that would be a hefty pay increase. Wrap your head around that for how far this airline has fallen.
Which contract would that be? Why don't you put the number and name of the contract on the table to discuss? Not sure if your statement is correct.
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Old 5th Sep 2023, 16:42
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Originally Posted by Pickuptruck
One of the recruiters sent their monthly roundup of contract jobs out there. On Base salary CX is literally the worst paying job in Asia on a widebody. The end can't come soon enough, an Air China takeover tomorrow would put us all on contracts that would be a hefty pay increase. Wrap your head around that for how far this airline has fallen.
As a Dragonair pilot we flew for a significant period leased to Air China. It was drama-less except for the drama-queens who wanted their white superiority syndrome to find issues their closed mines couldnít deal with.

Soon after we were taken over by CX and nothing could prepare you for the clown car that was their operational control. Iíd have taken Air China any day over CX and what a pity we werenít sold to them instead of the fools you have running you now. How can they stuff expansion up so badly with the most pliable, one sided pilot contract Iíve ever seen? They still have arrogance and sensibilities as if CX is a legacy player that it was previously. You have KA Captains or experienced ex-KA F/Oís sitting in the RHS watching new CX guys bend aeroplanes or if it ever picks up in China, drain demerit points like never before. What an easy fix! Dropping the standard hasnít worked so why not take a look at long lost training files and promote on ability.
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