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small minded..
So Zi Peng from Angola and the rest who don't think this is pathetic, do you shut down 2 engines on the 74 during flight or maybe just throttle the 777 back to just above stall speed on your now 95hr flight from HK - LHR so you can earn an extra $200 at the end of the year? I mean where do you draw the line at being a bad airman? And do you do these sort of petty things in your every day life outside of aviation?
Airfares around the world have doubled since covid, but you're quite happy to quickly jump ship and head off to eg. Emirates who are screwing over their customers, but hey we don't care about them because I'm ok, how does that saying go, "ef you, Jack, I'm alright."
Aviation is now run by such petty people.
Just set a good example, there are others in the cockpit / office / home who might just look up to you.
So Zi Peng from Angola and the rest who don't think this is pathetic, do you shut down 2 engines on the 74 during flight or maybe just throttle the 777 back to just above stall speed on your now 95hr flight from HK - LHR so you can earn an extra $200 at the end of the year? I mean where do you draw the line at being a bad airman? And do you do these sort of petty things in your every day life outside of aviation?
Airfares around the world have doubled since covid, but you're quite happy to quickly jump ship and head off to eg. Emirates who are screwing over their customers, but hey we don't care about them because I'm ok, how does that saying go, "ef you, Jack, I'm alright."
Aviation is now run by such petty people.
Just set a good example, there are others in the cockpit / office / home who might just look up to you.
Just check his posts.
You haven’t answered my question, why not check the why , the root cause.
All those guys that have been exemplary for years … now taxi slow ! Why ?
CX, probably you, have taken 6000hkd ( in my rank) from my salary just raising the threshold, don’t you dare talking to me and all of us about professionalism.
You raise a very interesting problem, what about the “kids” with no aviation background, spending 6/7 years as a sandwich officer then upgrading Gods knows how, doing 1.03 landing a month being exposed to such a toxic non professional environment. Those are the ones the company are banking on for the future.
Finally you are talking about setting the example; where did you go mgmt school, Dysneyland !
How about setting the example from the top ? Simplest way of leading, if you are not a natural leader, a good talker, set the ******* example !
So pretty please, don’t insult us further.
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It's surprising to read comments from people about professionalism, mentioning the other aircraft having to wait behind, selfishness.... There is not a single professional pilot that I know or work with, who would not be sympathetic, wait patiently feeling solidarity, as most have been through similar at some point and understand. It's the unprofessional ones who would get their knickers in a twist, worrying about otp not understanding the bigger picture. It's out of your hands so why worry, have their back and hope that the actions they do go some way to improve things. It's a world market in places like CX so any resistance to degradation of contracts helps. CX management have behaved despicably. At most 5 minutes, really, this is something that concerns you? That's unprofessional.
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Dumbfounded by the childish remarks and actions.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Dumbfounded by the childish remarks and actions.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
it necessary to act like longshoremen on strike then just buggar off. We’re supposed to be highly professional in all that we do. Behave that way.
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Dumbfounded by the childish remarks and actions.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
CX decided to run its mainline operations like a LLC, remote/distant bays when possible, loading 90% of meals for a full flight, Minimum CC on board and a lacklustre product.
What’s next? Advertising stickers on the back of the seats and overhead bins?
It’s a sad state of affairs when taxi speeds becomes the most popular post in a professional forum.
There is no dignity in being a CX pilot, however the instagrammers are doing a good job( but they do get some doge coin for it)
May the circus continue, the lead actors are really making it look good..
There is no dignity in being a CX pilot, however the instagrammers are doing a good job( but they do get some doge coin for it)
May the circus continue, the lead actors are really making it look good..
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Law of unintended consequences.
I remember we had such a thing as 'overtime', where every minute netted me an extra 50 or 80 hkd, depending on how much overtime.
I was never in a rush under those conditions. It just felt I was robbing myself.
This was before cos 18, mind you. Now everyone is operating under "overtime" conditions all the time, times 4 in a long haul flight, you are also screwing the other crew, by shaving off a few minutes here and there.
Pay people based on what is rostered, and add more if the flight is longer. Easy fix.
I remember we had such a thing as 'overtime', where every minute netted me an extra 50 or 80 hkd, depending on how much overtime.
I was never in a rush under those conditions. It just felt I was robbing myself.
This was before cos 18, mind you. Now everyone is operating under "overtime" conditions all the time, times 4 in a long haul flight, you are also screwing the other crew, by shaving off a few minutes here and there.
Pay people based on what is rostered, and add more if the flight is longer. Easy fix.
Will operating crew soon be summoned for third floor interviews by someone who does not understand what happens on the line? Taxiing below 15 knots has become an issue with management apparantly. With lots of ground incidents happening across the globe, does management want a cathay aircraft to appear on the headlines for a ground collision? Ultimately, it is the Commanders responsibility to ensure the safety of an aircraft. The most recent email sent out by Mr.Burns mentioned that 'we pride ourselves on our pilots with high levels of proficiency and operational standards' but yet our pilots are being paid dirt cheap rates and constantly put up with sh*t and now are being threatened with management interrogations for taxiing slower than what they think is possible. This is just adding onto a pile of psychological problems for operating crew on top of the existing issues which were never rectified.
Unfortunately this is what crew have to face everyday so to the new joiners and interviewees I suggest you look elsewhere for employment. And to the frequent travelers who fly with cathay, if you aren't already doing so I beg that you fly with another carrier for your own sake.
Unfortunately this is what crew have to face everyday so to the new joiners and interviewees I suggest you look elsewhere for employment. And to the frequent travelers who fly with cathay, if you aren't already doing so I beg that you fly with another carrier for your own sake.
Like speeding boy racers, those who participate in this foolishness, are a menace and a threat to ground safety.
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Dumbfounded by the childish remarks and actions.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Are you aware of how CX is now perceived within the industry as a whole?
Your responses seems to be from someone who is completely removed from the current conditions and was only part of the company during its “golden era”.
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Dumbfounded by the childish remarks and actions.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
then by your definition, pilots who go on strike are not professional, or for that matter anyone in any profession that go on strike is not professional...
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Dumbfounded by the childish remarks and actions.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
Years ago when a national airline was going under, salaries late, not paid, useless management (infinity times worse than CX management) theft, etc etc etc
Not 1 co-pilot or captain ever tried to screw the airline over by doing anything unprofessional. We loved flying, set an example to anyone and everyone. And what we went through was a hundred times worse than what CX and this new COS are.
Never once did we ever screw the airline over by deliberately doing acts that drag the airlines name down further, because that is pathetic.
Have some pride in what you do for heavens sake, or should everyone on this planet be an absolute tosser.
CX pilots used to be regarded as some of the most professional pilots out there, highly looked up to, but by reading these comments and what you "kids" are doing, it shows this airline is nothing more than another failed fly by night. In the long run you are all shooting yourself in the foot, cutting off your nose to spite your face. If you hate it so much, then why not leave because there are plenty of jobs going today.
I guess that makes two of us dumbfounded.
You are not treated as a professional, you are not paid as a professional, how much do you have to lose and still keep coming to work to "set a good example" & "have pride in what you do". Would you show up for work and work for free? Kinda sounds like you would. Wouldn't want to "set a bad example" or inconvenience the company right?
It's this kind of blind loyalty and compliance that has got us here in the first place. Isn't a general labour strike by very defenition "trying to screw over the airline"? You do you magenta, maybe if you race around the airport at 30kts you will get a lil pat on the head from management 🤡
Thank god I’m out of it, what a toxic environment.
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And that, Sir, is sense. Have your own views on your employer. Lord knows, you’re entitled. That said if you hate it so much that you feel
it necessary to act like longshoremen on strike then just buggar off. We’re supposed to be highly professional in all that we do. Behave that way.
it necessary to act like longshoremen on strike then just buggar off. We’re supposed to be highly professional in all that we do. Behave that way.
As one poster noted, by that logic, no worker would ever be able to strike (think of all those inconvenienced passengers, so unprofessional!), or enact any sort of protest at all. That would be fine in an ideal world, with concerned employers who actually took their employees’ interests into consideration.
In actual fact, we are saddled with cold-hearted bonus-obsessed managers who during covid saw fit to rip up our legal contracts, permanently slash our terms and conditions (by half in some cases), and topped it all off by imposing an absurd remuneration system which literally disincentivises efficiency, a system so dumb no other airline use it -not even hard-nosed low cost airlines or ME carriers.
We are not priests serving a divinity, or even doctors with a patient’s life in our hands. We are professionals who will always continue to put safety first and foremost, but for the rest, if the girls and boys are taxying around a little more slowly than usual, or not asking for directs anymore, is that so surprising? When every dollar you save the company is another dollar out of your own pocket and that of your colleague?
It’s a counter-productive system, and the sooner they change it the better. Knowing how hard-headed they are, I won’t be holding my breath, but as usual I am even more disappointed by the attitudes of some of my colleagues than I am by my employers.
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