Should you speak your mind?
Joined: Jul 1999
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From: hongkong
UPGRADES???
I can tell you that refusing an upgrade WILL result in your being fired.(immediately lost confidence in you)!so please stop referring to it as some kind of choice. There are a considerable number of loud mouth idiots on this forum who know nothing of the history or issues of this decade long dispute.There is a collective effort to have CX honour its contract and to resolve the disgusting manner in which the 49'ers were fired.Having an individual take the full weight of the current management's wrath alone would achieve nothing and be professional suicide....fact!
Incidentally the 'B' scale captains you refer to are freighter crew or CX mainstream f/o's who upgraded to capt. on the freighter on less pay than the f/o slot he left behind!
If you rely on this site to embellish you with the facts you will be doomed to be the 'eternal moron'.
Incidentally the 'B' scale captains you refer to are freighter crew or CX mainstream f/o's who upgraded to capt. on the freighter on less pay than the f/o slot he left behind!
If you rely on this site to embellish you with the facts you will be doomed to be the 'eternal moron'.
Joined: Jul 2001
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From: N. America
"Having an individual take the full weight of the current management's wrath alone would achieve nothing and be professional suicide....fact!"
I don't think anyone's ever advocated volunteering to be cannon fodder. But if the AOA had chosen to risk its own members by implementing an upgrade ban, or other meaningful industrial action, it might actually have accomplished something by now. Instead we have the hiring ban, which arguably works against the cause for reasons well documented elsewhere.
The upgrade issue is moot now, it's already happened and that's the course the AOA has chosen, with the ensuing lack of credibilty.
You mention a collective effort to have CX honour its contract. Sounds great...but what does that mean? Clearly the AOA has no stomach for direct confrontation (acknowledging the pro-management HK labour laws). That leaves the passive-aggressive hiring ban. If that's the sum of the stategy...good luck.
I don't think anyone's ever advocated volunteering to be cannon fodder. But if the AOA had chosen to risk its own members by implementing an upgrade ban, or other meaningful industrial action, it might actually have accomplished something by now. Instead we have the hiring ban, which arguably works against the cause for reasons well documented elsewhere.
The upgrade issue is moot now, it's already happened and that's the course the AOA has chosen, with the ensuing lack of credibilty.
You mention a collective effort to have CX honour its contract. Sounds great...but what does that mean? Clearly the AOA has no stomach for direct confrontation (acknowledging the pro-management HK labour laws). That leaves the passive-aggressive hiring ban. If that's the sum of the stategy...good luck.
Last edited by PeterZee; 8th September 2002 at 03:31.
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Joined: May 2002
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From: Hong Kong
Fact, there are mainline CX B scale passenger captains. The 'offer' offered the freighter captains a percentage (can't remember what it was - anyone remember?) of the mainline scale. All captains on the same rate in mainline gotta be good. If anyone is really worried about it I will try and discover just how many B scale captains are flying mainline. Blunderbus, careful what insults you throw they might come back to haunt you.
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Joined: May 2002
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From: Hong Kong
Not yet Liam, only just got back from a pleasant day with friends. I will make a couple of calls tomorrow and should be able to get a realistic figure from them. I know personally one B scale pax captain. Given his seniority could well be more.
