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How times have changed.

Old 7th Sep 2021, 08:21
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How many captains have left the company since covid? And FOs. Can someone remind me?
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 09:12
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There are no more farewell posts, so there may be too many to cope with. My seniority number keeps climbing.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 09:18
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As if seniority matters in CX…..
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 09:27
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It matters, if you want to see if people above you are leaving.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 11:20
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The seniority list is by far the best way to go work out the numbers. Check SO friends if you want the true number. I've jumped more than expected in the last two months alone. Just wait for EK to hire the DEC and it'll skyrocket.
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 11:42
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Duh - what a rocket scientist you are. I am not talking about a seniority list. My question was if seniority exists anymore in CX? Didn’t you sign it away?
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 12:38
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Well and truely lost on the new POS. Won't be back but you already knew that...
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 14:06
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Faster command time then
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Old 7th Sep 2021, 23:40
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Seniority exists in CX. It’s no use to us. It’s arguable if it’s been any use to us for a long time. But they do update the seniority list regularly, it’s the most current data about departures available to us.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 02:50
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Get a speedy upgrade (especially with all the senior folks being forced to retire early and depart due to these unforeseen circumstances) and then if your passport allows, better doors will open!
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 03:09
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Carol, an airline surviving as a fraction of its former size won’t lead to speedier commands, despite the resignations. Probably the opposite.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 03:23
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The mass exodus is faster than the current downsizing. And post covid when travel picks up.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 03:34
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Don't think HKG is gonna have a "post covid"...
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 03:50
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https://hongkongfp.com/2021/08/19/ho...-consultation/

Eventually. Be positive lads!
How do you live life being so negative here all the time?
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 06:30
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I'm sure people will be streaming in for their 3-week quarantine after reading that BS ad.

Ps. Trying to be positive, but the gov go out of their way to make it miserable for us over here.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 08:07
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Going back to seniority numbers, I checked the seniority number of the last SO on the list on april 23 2021.

He/she was on number 3109, now it is 2848. So that should mean 261 pilots left in the last 138 days.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 08:33
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Yes, and the list presently includes the EUR/NAM basees; of which very, very few will return.
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 10:32
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I for one have been foolishly tracking my seniority number for the past number of years (what an idiot thinking i'd ever get an upgrade....but thats another story)
I believe my numbers can provide an insight on the historical and current "retention" rates. (for the lack of a better word)
The numbers are the spots ive moved up for each month
2018
October - 8
November - 9
December - 5
2019
January - 21
February - 15
March - 13
April - 19
May - 20
June - 11
July - 10
August - 13
September - 8
October - 10
November - 11
December - 9
2020
January - 6
February - 2
March - 10
April - 10
May - 13
June - 6
July - 7
August - 10
September - 3
October - 50 (yay pos18)
November - 42
December - 39
2021
January - 32
February - 45
(at this point I gave up tracking each month, but from the beginning of march to the end of july - 240 nope not a typo, two four zero)
August - 38

yeah so those are the numbers, interpret them as you like

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Old 8th Sep 2021, 11:48
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carolknows

thanks for the laugh, I needed it!
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Old 8th Sep 2021, 13:23
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Posterizing

There is nothing to interpret. Everybody knows what is going on in this madhouse : some retirements, a lot of resignations and generalised bases closure. I am afraid it does not equate to an improvement of our package or to a reduction in quarantine requirements.
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