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Old 27th Jul 2021, 07:17
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Things are starting to open up?

I am very surprised that some 777's guys are starting to get full rosters. Yes be it a small number of pilots but it's a start! But I have to ask, what is happening?
The HK gov is still stern on the 2/3 week quarantine! Anyone's guess what CX knows and we don't?

I personally don't see much flying until mid next year! Surely CX want as many of pilots on unpaid leave? Or do they have too much money?
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 09:16
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Three youngish CX owned B777s returned to HKG from long-term Australian storage yesterday.
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 13:15
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CARGO!!! It's not to do with pax sadly, they are making use of the extra cargo capacity of the 777 over the a350! But hey we will take it, any gain is a gain right now
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 13:42
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The 777 boys and girls better get their heads around flying the crappy rice bowl freighter routes, and quick smart. This is the future for the 777 fleet.

Any pax flying will likely be short high density stuff as well. Swings and roundabouts, like the 777 fleet was 10-15 years ago. Not a pretty picture. The 350 is the future, and the 777x is a pipe dream.

There's talk of 777Fs as well.

The horrendous Asian short haul flights for the twin, and the North America and Europe routes for the quad.

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Old 27th Jul 2021, 15:02
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Clog, why do you need to sound so BITTER?
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 15:55
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Opening Up ?

Don't hold your breath.. Politicians, HK, PRC and others aren't finished using their awesome COVID Disruptor Tool to maximum advantage quite yet !! As CX is an entirely "International" airline with bank accounts ravaged by inept princes, it will suffer most.. The following aviation article is simply another nail in the coffin..

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...al-2021-07-26/
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Old 27th Jul 2021, 23:45
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The 3 x 777's brought back from Alice yesterday: 1 (-KPL) is a lease return, the other 2 are off to XMN for cargo conversion.

There's an uptick in pax demand at the back end of summer for returning students, but will it last? The 777 is doing some more west coast USA stuff, the 350 predominately east coast.

LLLQNH: even MH now concedes the A35K carries the same as an ER (max payload is actually about 4T higher), but at 15% lower cost. Still, hope you're getting more hours now.
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Old 28th Jul 2021, 03:55
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That is absolutely not true. KQF, HNR will be convert to 77C. KPL,KQP,KPZ have been bought back from ASP recently.
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Old 28th Jul 2021, 11:28
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Not what MLO said. But maybe the Regos have changed. Who cares!
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 08:39
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VS - Regos seldom change.
Another 7 year old triple returned from long term storage this morning. Many AU and NZ flights in the past 2 weeks now using the triple rather than the A35K
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Old 29th Jul 2021, 16:24
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Might not be so enthusiastic about being reactivated once you're sat at the midfield terminal waiting 2+ hours for test results, after getting your nose and throat scraped for the 8th time this month...
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 00:08
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Fac6 =Wrong MOST was not mentioned. I have no idea of how good is your English comprehension but there is a distinct difference in the meaning of the two words with MOST meaning a majority. I trust that this is of assistance. Btw - B-KQT back from Xiamen this morning as a 77W and B-KQF yesterday.
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still a pi**ing match between A and B, who cares, as long as we all get back up in the air. Its just a plane
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 05:49
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And confirmed by MH & SB today that yes, KPL was one of the 3, & yes it’s a lease return.

I like my sources more.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 06:30
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As long as A wins... I don't care.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 04:47
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Ah -so only 3 triples returned to the pax fleet from l.t. storage this week - one back to leaser - zero to freight. Pleased that we got that sorted.
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RAT Management

And that's precisely why everybody's a loser!
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Old 1st Aug 2021, 09:28
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So what are you grateful for?
Getting a permanent pay cut?
Getting the same pay as you did 10 years ago and realising there is no further pay raise?
Being away from your family for 19 months and counting?
Thinking what career change you should consider at 45 years of age as ones’ skill are so specialised that it’s difficult to move to other jobs?
Knowing the fact your employer will not teach you other areas of the business because it’s their way of making sure you don’t move on so easily?

yes it sucks losing your job, but personally it’s not the first job I’ve lost and it always turned out to be blessing in disguise.

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Old 1st Aug 2021, 13:30
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I have a feeling that once things are back to normal there will be a severe shortage of pilots.

market forces…
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Old 1st Aug 2021, 15:17
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Feel free to go yourself . Haven't you heard? Things are opening up! Apply for the job like everyone else did. If you don't make the cut then I'm afraid that me leaving isn't gonna change a thing.
And.. next time you tell someone to "go back where they came from" without actually saying it, maybe be a bit more subtle.
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