Fragrant Harbour A forum for the large number of pilots (expats and locals) based with the various airlines in Hong Kong. Air Traffic Controllers are also warmly welcomed into the forum.

Death of Cathay

Old 10th Feb 2021, 11:34
  #61 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 378
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

You are too kind. Imagine the time and effort expended by this group of inspirational leaders, to come up with this gem. Year of the Ox? Perhaps should be renamed Year of the Jellyfish, noting the constant rictus grin on CX's very own example.

Last edited by Starbear; 10th Feb 2021 at 12:03.
Starbear is offline  
Old 10th Feb 2021, 12:50
  #62 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: HKG
Posts: 58
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
When one reads the 2019 accounts it would appear that your aforementioned “Jellyfish” is very well compensated for his acting skills.
Walkingthedog is offline  
Old 10th Feb 2021, 14:16
  #63 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: On a few nerves apparently
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Progress Wanchai

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?

Don't answer that.

Where and when did I ever say I did any goodwill gestures for this company? When you ask a question and get completely ignored you should get a clue.

I have not once done anything except very strictly what my contract required me to do. I've never once answered cc phone calls, acknowledged anything including when 15 pieces of paper were slipped under my door on layovers, never done a single thing to save fuel or help beyond my responsibilities except for my fellow crewmembers for whom I'd do anything, I never report for work until exactly when my roster sign-on or van pick time to the minute, i have never once asked for a single direct, etc. This is how I've behaved for as long as I've been here. A little less than 2 decades, not to get too specific. I've always thought it was appalling that hkaoa would declare cc suspension during typhoons etc. Those were the times for us to make a real dent. So many lost opportunities. Why in the would i ever want to give more than my contract specifies? Would they ever give me more in return? I'd have to h
be very stupid to give more without getting more. But there are plenty of those stupids at this outfit. When I say WE, I mean as a collective. Personally, I never gave anything in the way of good will, because in the first few months it became clear exactly what the corporate culture character of this airline was and always has been. So I made adjustments.

Now of course we don't work under a contract at all. Cos18 is by definition not a contract. its not a binding agreement on both parties. It's changeable at any time and in any way company wishes to do so. None of us have any obligation to abide by any of it. We only do so as far as necessary to not get fired. It's nothing more than company policy amendable at will. The moment YOU decide you're not working for this company, you ignore it all. 3 months notice? If I can arrange everything so I have a layover close to home at the right time, they'll be calling my number at departure time wondering where I am. This isn't just me the individual. This is overwhelmingly how people feel on the only fleet that has actually been busting it's a$s for the last one year and gotten shafted as a reward. Again, please don't use the other fleets who have been almost entirely sitting at home while getting paid as examples of how "well, I don't see that among the crew" . Obviously they don't feel the same for obvious reasons.

And you accuse ME of showing good will, ever? What a laugh!

I didn't bring any of this attitude with me when I first joined. But I've adjusted accordingly, like a mirror. Cathay management doesn't deserve any more. They never miss a chance to prove it. This place was always a place to work at. But the money was good so we all put up with it having decided the money was worth it. But now that the money is gone, nothing worthwhile remains at this company. I know some of you are hopelessly without better options for now. So you try to justify for yourself things are not/have not been that bad. But this is a state of forced denial and delusion because the reality is depressing and dark. I understand exactly why some of you choose to look at things with thick rose colored glasses. But reality doesn't care. Like I said before, cathay is in a death spiral. You'd be stupid not to jump with a parachute if you can secure one. If you can't well then, you can't but at least you tried.
VforVENDETTA is offline  
Old 10th Feb 2021, 16:17
  #64 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: HK-CRoC
Posts: 748
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Essential Workers 😂


Nobody gets it.. The only people you are essential to is your families and CX, AA, DL etc could care less about you as has always been the case. All they care about is "essential passengers" and at this time you governments are doing absolutely EVERYTHING to thwart their return.. Vaccination passports, pre-flight & post flight testing, quarantines ....
The industry incl ancillary industries + Boeing + Airbus are toast.. Not to mention the TRILLIONS of $$$ vacuumed out of the world wide economies..
China has done its best to kill the tourist industry in Asia, the fat lady has sung..
Flex88 is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 02:30
  #65 (permalink)  
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
More routes cut back
Harbour Dweller is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 02:49
  #66 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Vermont
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by VforVENDETTA View Post
Progress Wanchai

You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
Neither are you if you ever thought that the AOA wanted you to do anything different than usual (e.g. continue removing your goodwill) during a typhoon.
I know there was an exemption for a typhoon, but that was mostly for PR reasons (I know, I know). NOTHING precluded you to work as per your contract and not add anything else.
It always amazed me how “smart” pilots who thought of themselves as the “sharper tools in the shed” could not read between the lines or ask a GC member what the real intent of that typhoon clause was.

For the rest I applaud your efforts and dedication.
There weren’t many who followed the rules of contract compliance to the letter and don’t even get me started on the training ban.
Piet Lood is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 03:14
  #67 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: On the road
Posts: 160
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
So how long before the geniuses in the press realise that this Government have just p!!sed 40B HKD into the wind with this latest quarantine absurdity??
If these idiotic advisors and public servants aren't brought into line RFN, 40B wont be enough to last past June and they will either have to spend another 100B of tax payer's money or let the while thing fold.
mr did is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 04:37
  #68 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: reality
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

that’s funny cause last time I checked there are still plenty of expats working for Taiwanese airlines. Greener pastures? There is no such thing! Just a different shade of brown.
noboloco is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 05:19
  #69 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: In someone pocket
Posts: 1,200
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

I think Eithad already done that...
jetjockey696 is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 07:00
  #70 (permalink)  
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: hong kong
Posts: 113
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Fauci , has once again moved the goalposts , after telling everyone that masks were a bad idea now he is recommending 3 masks , after telling us that we could return to normal after being vaccinated , now he says well not so fast , masks and social distancing are here to stay .
Do a little research on Peter Daszak and Fauci , Fauci was ordered by Obama to stop gain of function research into corona viruses simply because it was so dangerous , he blatantly disobeys the order and farms the research out to Daszak who in turn hands it over to a well known lab .
why Fauci and Daszak are not both in jail absolutely astounds me
cannot is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 09:27
  #71 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: The Back of Beyond
Posts: 135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Holy smokes, you nailed it! Every word of your post, bang on.
Flying Clog is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 09:50
  #72 (permalink)  
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Shh..
Posts: 95
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts SIA flights with crew fully vaccinated against Covid-19 depart Singapore)
And we still debating how to increase quarantine days here. Woah.
carolknows is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 11:10
  #73 (permalink)  
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 170
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
A 41-year-old Singapore Airlines (SIA) cabin crew member who was on a turnaround flight to the United Arab Emirates is the fifth person on that aircraft to test positive for the coronavirus.

But she already vaccinated...that's worrying.

She also received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Feb 2. "As the vaccine does not contain live virus, she could not have been infected due to vaccination," said the MOH.
wongsuzie is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 12:30
  #74 (permalink)  
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Krug departure, Merlot transition
Posts: 619
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Naw, that’s actually quite possible I gather. Two shots of Pfizer are required for vaccination. One only offers partial protection, and even that would not have developed fully after less than one week from the first shot.
main_dog is online now  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 15:44
  #75 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 445
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
They are blaming the cleaners at DBX.

Are they ready to travel with only one jab?

Last edited by CodyBlade; 11th Feb 2021 at 16:11.
CodyBlade is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 16:16
  #76 (permalink)  
Join Date: Oct 2018
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 136
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

she operated the flight to Dubai where she was supposedly infected before she received the vaccination! It says so in the article, so she was not already vaccinated at the time of exposure.
LLLQNH is offline  
Old 11th Feb 2021, 20:02
  #77 (permalink)  
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Hong Kong, SAR.
Posts: 292
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
"All five have also tested preliminarily positive for the more infectious B117 strain of the coronavirus, the Ministry of Health (MOH) said on Tuesday (Feb 9).

She also received her first dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine on Feb 2. "As the vaccine does not contain live virus, she could not have been infected due to vaccination," said the MOH. "It is possible for one to be infected just before or just after vaccination, as it typically takes a few weeks for an individual to build up immunity after completing vaccination."

Ok, so first she got the Pfizer vaccine on feb 2, then she got on a flight to dubai, between then and Feb 9, where it was announced she had it.
It is perfectly normal to be susceptible to Covid for a significant time after the injection. Nothing to get worried about.

the guardian:
"One dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine gives people about 90% protection from Covid by 21 days, according to an analysis of Israel’s mass vaccination programme."

So it takes a while to kick in..So don't stop taking the usual precautions after you've had your first shot.
Oasis is offline  
Old 12th Feb 2021, 08:45
  #78 (permalink)  
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Aust
Posts: 331
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Seriously, Cathay has been dying since 1991/92. Anyone who joined after that date has accepted progressively inferior Terms and Conditions whilst blaming the AOA, this has only enabled this agonisingly slow death. Its sad but inevitable.
deja vu is offline  
Old 12th Feb 2021, 09:11
  #79 (permalink)  
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: London
Posts: 561
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
If a vaccine is 90% effective then one in ten who would catch it without a vaccine will still get it, although likely less severely, so its not surprising that vaccinated people have tested positive. Vaccines may also be slightly less effective at preventing transmission. The good news is that they will reduce the 'R' rate to a level where outbreaks will fizzle out automatically. The bad news is that this will not happen until most people have received their shots so not until the end of the year and even then its likely to be extended travel bubbles between countries where the programme has been completed. There may be restrictions to 'developing countries' for some time to come.
Peter47 is offline  
Old 12th Feb 2021, 11:40
  #80 (permalink)  
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: London
Posts: 50
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
At last a sound observation and logical projection of the immediate future... now, if the media could be persuaded to take this on board perhaps we might be saved the alternating demands to lock down / open up, dependent on which phase government has been bullied into following.
Silent Running is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.