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Old 13th Jan 2021, 17:46
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People (&#128514 CX will never increase pay. The union is BEYOND weak. So only depending on CX benevolence 😂. Get REAL!
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Old 13th Jan 2021, 19:25
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One thing to remember for everyone who has done 10 plus years and is thinking of resigning or taking early retirement . If there is no CX there is no staff travel in your retirement , that is a big loss . Yes the pay cut is abhorrently difficult to swallow and leaves an incredibly bitter taste in ones mouth . I donít blame anyone for doing whatever they can , but the airline industry worldwide has been decimated The really sad thing is that had we been fairly treated during the last 22 years most of us would have been more than happy to help out ..
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 10:47
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Youíve been treated very well by cx, all things considered. Your sister airline was trashed, 550 laid off.
The paycut is neither here nor there. You will return to work, after a year of full pay. You will then earn flight pay and double your basic, bringing pay to somewhere near pre covid levels. You will look forward to those long haul trips, getting away from hk and the wife.
Some pilots from ka will never fly again. Think about it .
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Old 14th Jan 2021, 23:03
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What contact or rather handbook are you reading? Some guys are looking at over a 50% pay cut for January. A productivity based contract would be fine if they hadn't decided to stay massively overstaffed. Or if pilots had a say in that productivity. You know, add trips from open time and drop trips if you want to work less. Like most major airlines have had for ages. 35 hours on the 747 is a huge pay cut. Being overstaffed they can roster that. 600 hours a years is a pay cut, which is 50 hours. They've taken a first rate rostering system from Jeppesen and gutted it to a half baked request system. Only an airline in complete denial of how pilots work would think guys are going to fly as efficiently as possible when it takes money out of their paycheck.
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Old 16th Jan 2021, 21:37
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As I mentioned, 50% cut for Jan is a hell of alot of an improvement than being unemployed. Things will improve from where they are now.. Don't be so selfish. Your productivity will increase, your pay will rise and all will be well. Not as good as 1 year ago, but hey ho, theres only been a global health emergency, and aviation was one of the main reasons it spread so unbelievably quickly.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 01:23
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According to you we should just surrender and accept our fates. Maybe one the the lord will allow us his scraps again. Treat me like crap, i give you crap. Not concerned in the least bit with management bs. In a year they will be short and only a fool would join this outfit.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 03:30
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"...don't be so selfish...." ?? Seriously...? No words.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 06:53
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DropKnee

..... and yet you’re still here.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 09:04
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People will still join CX for the wide body time. 1000hrs should get you a "stable" job somewhere else.
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 10:33
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There will never be a crew shortage at Cathay and there won't be any better "stable" jobs elsewhere, only long hours for peanuts at a LCC.


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Old 17th Jan 2021, 17:07
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Go look up the amount of aircraft on order at ME airlines such as EK as an example. Not exactly LCCs and the long hours are very well rewarded with basic pay exceeding that of CX by far.
Not to mention time to command still at the 4-5 year mark, and a 5 bedroom, 3000 SQFT villa for free, all utilities paid, zero tax.

Other so called LCCs may pay peanuts, but it’s really what you take home at the end of the day and working for nice people that matters, unlike the conniving buffoons here at CXit
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Old 17th Jan 2021, 19:00
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Time to command, recruitment, money ,hours, accomodation etc after the crisis at EK is completely open at this point, as is the composite and size of their future fleet.



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Old 18th Jan 2021, 00:08
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Curry Lamb

”ME airlines” and “nice people” in the same post. Haha haha. Hahahaha.
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Old 18th Jan 2021, 03:28
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Talking

One perverted dwarf in a white abaya immediately comes to mind.
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Old 18th Jan 2021, 05:58
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Bangaluru

Two completely different paragraphs. The point is there are LCCs paying “peanuts” according to STW, and yet people whom I know there are happy and actually enjoying it.

Living conditions in many other countries, especially around SE Asia, can be cheap, and the “peanuts” actually goes a long way.
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Old 18th Jan 2021, 06:33
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Happy expat pilots at LCC in Asia and quick time to command at EK... Curry, I think you urgently need a reality check..

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Old 18th Jan 2021, 09:51
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controlled rest

Yes . I was very fuel efficient with Air Hong Kong in the nineties but never got any recognition for it.

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Old 18th Jan 2021, 10:14
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
There will never be a crew shortage at Cathay and there won't be any better "stable" jobs elsewhere, only long hours for peanuts at a LCC.
Yes , indeed , CX pilot salaries need to be aligned with supply and demand for applicants within HKSAR ..
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Old 18th Jan 2021, 11:56
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If COS21 is the next move then where is that aligned with? Vietnam or the Phillipines are the only place I can think of that an expat can get that pay... Now the ME3 pay nearly double that once you take the free accommodation/schooling and power into account.
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Old 19th Jan 2021, 01:17
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Fair enough. It just looked funny.
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