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Per Hour Charges

Old 1st Jan 2021, 23:43
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Per Hour Charges

In the 22 Dec 'The Airbus Flyer', Glen D states 'We will need to operate our aircraft as efficiently as possible as every kilogram of fuel we save, or minute we are not paying 'per hour' charges, will greatly assist our recovery...'.

Sorry Glen, I can't help. With the sign or fire POS18 now in place I am a 'per hour' cost. The longer the flight the more I will earn. My only motivation for saving fuel is the environment. We don't have a profit sharing scheme which actually shares profit with employees. It is in my very best interest to make each and every flight profitable for myself.
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Old 1st Jan 2021, 23:57
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Did stories not come out of HKA with their pilots doing this? Bring a plane back to green dot and you gain several dollars for the crew on an Auckland sector. It would not be hard for the company to look and see who's pockets were lined a little extra.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 00:08
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I'm sorry to say, but with such a reduced schedule, and an extreme over-staffing of crew there is very little chance of making anywhere near the minimum number of hours that would then result in extra pay. Income for this year will be the minimum for everyone (well, that is except for the management pilots who are of course on a lucrative special deal).
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 00:53
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747 pilots are not parked. They have been shunted to POS18 like everyone else. On top of living through the hell of isolation/quarantine, they've just lost their overtime multiplier. CI 0, taxi at 10kts. Get used to it.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 01:01
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Apologies. You are of course correct regarding the 747 pilots. The company has an interesting way of saying "thank you". :/
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 01:56
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Totally agree. My policy will apply until I retire, including the years loads are up and the profits are rolling in. I won't try for direct to, I'll follow Ops A guidance on distance to avoid CBs (most guys don't), no more slick approaches.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 02:27
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And get yourself fired.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 02:54
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For following Part A? You should read up a bit.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 03:36
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And you should wake up to the new reality.
Guidance on avoiding CB’s apart, and avoiding slick approaches as a given, they’re basic airmanship and therefore incontrovertible.
However good luck with the “ only following OMPA “ argument for the rest of it at a non existent D and G ( only available at company behest ) or a non existent labour tribunal.
RETI, fuel uplift, playing silly buggars with CI etc etc will all be monitored. And that doesn’t even begin to
cover it. FTL’s ?
It’s a brave new world out there, and there’s currently a surfeit of pilots.

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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 05:25
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Originally Posted by controlledrest View Post
I am a 'per hour' cost.
Exactly. That says it all.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 05:36
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All you scared little boys and girls will comply, especially you ex-A Scalers, we know you have no spine.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 06:57
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Seriously, no one is happy about the permanent changes. But to deliberately be inefficient, and fly with the OP’s attitude, just reflects badly back to your own reputation as an individual. Yes, we should deviate more for weather, maybe this way the 350s would get less lightning strikes damages. Why not RETI if you do want to taxi slow and “safe” after landing? But the core problem is the attitude. Setting a good example of airmanship and good CRM to the next generation is part of what makes you a good pilot, on top of stick and rudder skills.

All this talk about CX going down the drain and incidents and accidents occurring in the future; well guess what, the current pilots here have a responsibility to make sure it doesn’t. Even if you plan to leave as soon as the market back home recovers, you would find doing your job well and passing on knowledge and good mindset to the next generation will make you a better person as a whole. And when you do leave, you wouldn’t leave with the reputation of being a bitter ********
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 08:52
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All this talk about CX going down the drain and incidents and accidents occurring in the future; well guess what, the current pilots here have a responsibility to make sure it doesn’t.
Nope. They have a responsibility to make sure it ain't them.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 09:24
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Truth is we can't really sabotage the COS18 system. Adding 2 minutes to the block hours is hard work, puts you at risk and will make FA difference.

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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 11:49
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Could always try to get everything down really early and be efficient and depart 5 minutes early and arrive on time! Might be a win win for all, pax happy as OTP, management happy as OTP and we happy as an extra 5 mins in Credit each flight!
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 13:20
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Originally Posted by controlledrest View Post
mngmt mole

Totally agree. My policy will apply until I retire, including the years loads are up and the profits are rolling in. I won't try for direct to, I'll follow Ops A guidance on distance to avoid CBs (most guys don't), no more slick approaches.
Crest, pure PPRuNe bluster , like many, but we know that you’ve already rolled over and signed cos18. And you will continue to acquiesce to the wishes of your employer. As you already have done since you caved in over the 49ers. Yes im presuming you took your command, and paid lip service to those who lost theirs at that time?
Dont be embarrassed, all the current cx pilots are all in the same position, and sold their souls to cos 18 in October.
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Old 2nd Jan 2021, 23:41
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Originally Posted by Globocnik View Post
However good luck with the “ only following OMPA “ argument for the rest of it at a non existent D and G ( only available at company behest ) or a non existent labour tribunal.
Never heard anyone getting fired for “only following OMPA”, though plenty who thought they were helping the company out and then this shit joint used some lame excuse to kick their ass out the door.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 01:14
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Ultimately, it surprises me that anyone thinks any of this matters anymore. You can add a few extra minutes here and there, but nothing will really make up for a 60% pay cut. The only real effect any of you will have is in leaving the company altogether. Anyone who stays is simply a cog in a machine that is taking advantage of them individually, and only contributing to the benefit of managers and owners. The employee is now nothing more than something to be used, abused and discarded. That is what CX now represents.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 07:11
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Lets be frank it’s years since anyone took a stand and 49 of them were fired.

That was the defining moment for industrial action in CX. No surprise that everyone rolled over again ( “no choice”) despite all the brave talk.

It’s going to take you 7% per annum pay rise for about 11 years to get back to where you were in October. That’s not going to happen so it’s either suck it up or leave.A stark choice particularly as there’s nowhere to go. All of the above assumes that CX survives.

As MM implies anything you can or will do is less than an annoyance to them they’ve already saved their money and banked their future bonuses.

If it makes you feel better go for it but don’t expect them to even notice.
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Old 3rd Jan 2021, 13:11
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Cogs ??

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Welcome to the newest State in the PRC. Corporate management with "Asian" values and I use the term "management" with repulsion as no company have I ever seen been so ineptly managed.. And when you wander to the 3rd floor looking for solace and get your daily fix of empty platitudes from those who pushed unconscious bias and diversity courses, you do not yet get the situation.. They are as fake as human beings can possibly be and swine have a better moral compass...
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