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Atlas Air strikes 3 pods on landing 747-400 at shanghai

Old 9th Aug 2020, 08:38
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Atlas Air strikes 3 pods on landing 747-400 at shanghai

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To strike 3 engines on landing it must have been one hell of a landing
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Old 9th Aug 2020, 09:16
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I seem to remember cx had a similar touchdown around 2008 on a 747 in Manchester.
Fortunately for the captain some animals are more equal than others.
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I seem to remember cx had a similar touchdown around 2008 on a 747 in Manchester.
Fortunately for the captain some animals are more equal than others.
Is anyone able to interpret what Piet is trying to say or infer?
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It was a KA freighter - yeah SHE was "special".
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Three pod strikes is very hard to do. I’m imagining a massive overreaction to the first pod strike (and possible bounce) causing the other two on the opposite wing. The jumbo is normally easy to land, but in a gusting crosswind, it needs to be well flown. The upwind wing is very susceptible to keep flying long after landing. Wind gusts and bouncing on the runway seem likely culprits.

No matter, CX keeps plowing hundred hour wonders into the right seat of the 747, flying two variants between 170-446T in all conditions from sea level to 7000’ MSL. Duh!!!
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No matter, CX keeps plowing hundred hour wonders into the right seat of the 747, flying two variants between 170-446T in all conditions from sea level to 7000’ MSL. Duh!!!
Ah yes, Chuck Yeager over here with one of his signature chip on the shoulder comments. Looks like you have been too busy spewing negativity on PPRuNe all these years to notice that the airline industry has changed. Guess what - cadet pilots are now the norm in dozens of other airlines around the world too. This thread isn't even about CX, but you clearly can't let any opportunity slide to get a cheap shot in.

Please just get off your high horse for once. Geez!
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Please just get off your high horse for once. Geez!
The high horse goes by the name of ‘Standards’. Formerly an integral part of airline operations, getting off the horse has consequences that are often not immediately apparent.

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Originally Posted by Memorylapse View Post
It was a KA freighter - yeah SHE was "special".
I stand corrected: KA it was. Memory lapse indeed.
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Originally Posted by Bokpiel View Post
Ah yes, Chuck Yeager over here with one of his signature chip on the shoulder comments. Looks like you have been too busy spewing negativity on PPRuNe all these years to notice that the airline industry has changed. Guess what - cadet pilots are now the norm in dozens of other airlines around the world too. This thread isn't even about CX, but you clearly can't let any opportunity slide to get a cheap shot in.

Please just get off your high horse for once. Geez!
Compared to you, Chuck Yeager may be appropriate. Compared to my peers, perhaps slightly above average but nothing special.
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The high horse goes by the name of ‘Standards’. Formally an integral part of airline operations, getting off the horse has consequences that are often not immediately apparent.
Don’t tell the new generation of pilots about standards lest you be branded a “Ken” or “Karen” (depending on your preferred pronouns) and have your “white privilege and fragility” explained to you by the PC brigade.
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Atlas hasn’t had good luck lately. HR was/is in charge of hiring. They were pompous and arrogant when I interviewed. They hired 3 out of 25 that interviewed. They didn’t hire the Air Force pilot I interviewed wirh, or the current 747 pilot, or the active b-52 pilot. They hired to fit a profile. A non offensive one.
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Originally Posted by 4runner View Post
Atlas hasn’t had good luck lately. HR was/is in charge of hiring. They were pompous and arrogant when I interviewed. They hired 3 out of 25 that interviewed. They didn’t hire the Air Force pilot I interviewed wirh, or the current 747 pilot, or the active b-52 pilot. They hired to fit a profile. A non offensive one.
Now that I believe. Causal?

I suppose three pod strikes aren’t too offensive, just slightly inconvenient for the bottom line.
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More evidence...The world has lost its mind....
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
Three pod strikes is very hard to do. I’m imagining a massive overreaction to the first pod strike (and possible bounce) causing the other two on the opposite wing. The jumbo is normally easy to land, but in a gusting crosswind, it needs to be well flown. The upwind wing is very susceptible to keep flying long after landing. Wind gusts and bouncing on the runway seem likely culprits.

No matter, CX keeps plowing hundred hour wonders into the right seat of the 747, flying two variants between 170-446T in all conditions from sea level to 7000’ MSL. Duh!!!
Wasnt the 747 designed for even those pilots past their prime close to retirement also to fly ?
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Wasnt the 747 designed for even those pilots past their prime close to retirement also to fly ?
No, it was made for hundred hour cadets to fly!
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I doubt Mr Sutter would have agreed.
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You have to wonder if the decline in the industry is due to the standard of the people they have hired in recent years.
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No, it was made for hundred hour cadets to fly!
Does dispatch preload extra fuel on your flight plan to carry that chip on your shoulder around?

Every one of us had a couple hundred hours in our logbook once. With the growth of air travel over the last 30 years and the reduction of military and GA flying the old routes into airlines couldn’t meet the demand, hence why almost all majors out there hire cadets in some form, the exception being the US. Don’t waste your time being a keyboard warrior crying for the old days, if you want to pass on your “above average skills”, sigh, then train the kids. Just whining makes you sound like a snowflake.
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Oztranaut ,
I don’t disagree that 200 hundred hour cadets deserve a chance , the big difference is that when I had 200 Hours in my logbook I was still flying a Cessna 172 not a jumbo . A heavily laden jumbo freighter is a very different beast to a Cessna . I blame the Capt for this accident , if the wind was gusting as much as they stated he should have taken over ,either way this is on him
its not about above average skills it’s about experience ,something that only comes with higher hours And more exposure
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Originally Posted by 0ztranaut View Post
Does dispatch preload extra fuel on your flight plan to carry that chip on your shoulder around?

Every one of us had a couple hundred hours in our logbook once. With the growth of air travel over the last 30 years and the reduction of military and GA flying the old routes into airlines couldn’t meet the demand, hence why almost all majors out there hire cadets in some form, the exception being the US. Don’t waste your time being a keyboard warrior crying for the old days, if you want to pass on your “above average skills”, sigh, then train the kids. Just whining makes you sound like a snowflake.
Great post, common sense and down to the point.
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