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CX management. Moral Turpidude

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CX management. Moral Turpidude

Old 24th Jun 2020, 15:36
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What fight do you propose having ? Given that the AOA are holding a 2 and a 7, off suit ?
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 15:44
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Originally Posted by Globocnik View Post
What fight do you propose having ? Given that the AOA are holding a 2 and a 7, off suit ?
Don’t devalue yourself to nothing. We (CX/KA Pilots) worked our asses off for the last decade while CX gambled away all the profits to fuel hedging losses and attacked our contracts. Nearly every other airline was making record profits and billions of dollars. CX managed this airline into a quagmire, and that holds true today. Defend your contract! Make them offer a sign or be fired POS and make them suffer the morale and performance consequences if they do. Pilots are only temporarily out of demand. Once this virus is gone, the demand for pilots goes right back to where it was. The demographics are, finally, in our favour.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 15:51
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All this ranting above mean nothing in the real world.
You can all have a wish list of how redundancies are made, but management will do what they please, unopposed by the “AOA” simply because thats what they’ve done since 1993, unless I missed something since.
All they need to do, is change the contract, which is legal... remove housing/schooling, and as a good measure; cut basic salary too.
Those who don’t like it will hand in 3 months notice and go. The company can then boast that they did not make any, and I emphasise the ANY, redundancies and kept “the team” together. Those who would leave as a result were not part of the team anyway.
Bases? yep, they’ll be kept open, or it could be one base to go from each area, namely FRA, MEL, LA.
There you have it.
Carry on stating your wish lists, and rant as much as you can, and we’ll see what the aoa can do.
God bless us all.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 17:37
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Originally Posted by Busbitch View Post
I don't particularly like CX management, they have let me down a lot over the years & I don't trust them, but in the case of Covid19 downturn I gotta give it to em' I reckon they are doing a Stirling job. When I see what's happening around the world at places like Emirates, I say CX might just be the best Airline in the world to be at right now. People getting sacked left & right with no notice or redundancy but CX are working super hard to keep their heads above water & that ain't easy.
I bet there are a lot of ex moaning Cathy Pilots loving their job at the moment as there is nothing else there and a stack of other Pilots unemployed. Cathy also know that for a few years there will be no attrition apart from retirements. Grass was always green just no-one realised - they do now
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 17:51
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Originally Posted by GKOC41 View Post
I bet there are a lot of ex moaning Cathy Pilots loving their job at the moment as there is nothing else there and a stack of other Pilots unemployed. Cathy also know that for a few years there will be no attrition apart from retirements. Grass was always green just no-one realised - they do now
Actually, it’s not fun watching your airline run into the ground (as they’ve been doing for the better part of a decade now). The paycheck is appreciated, but I’m not confident it will be there long term. The airline is NOT right sizing itself to near and medium term market conditions, which are now becoming quite clear. There’s no leadership whatsoever!
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 00:44
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You have to admit is it pretty funny. Guys pointing to clauses in their contract for LIFO and yelling at a wall, (or their wife or the helper) that they’re safe. All around the world, and especially in the places HKG labour law is based upon, LIFO ain’t happening.

And then there’s the, “they’re still upgrading JFO” as if that means anything relative to job security. Lol
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 03:02
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Originally Posted by Busbitch View Post
I don't particularly like CX management, they have let me down a lot over the years & I don't trust them, but in the case of Covid19 downturn I gotta give it to em' I reckon they are doing a Stirling job. When I see what's happening around the world at places like Emirates, I say CX might just be the best Airline in the world to be at right now. People getting sacked left & right with no notice or redundancy but CX are working super hard to keep their heads above water & that ain't easy.
agreed, dreadful times
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 03:14
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Originally Posted by Busbitch View Post
I don't particularly like CX management, they have let me down a lot over the years & I don't trust them, but in the case of Covid19 downturn I gotta give it to em' I reckon they are doing a Stirling job. When I see what's happening around the world at places like Emirates, I say CX might just be the best Airline in the world to be at right now. People getting sacked left & right with no notice or redundancy but CX are working super hard to keep their heads above water & that ain't easy.
Sorry to burst your CX Bubble but you are delusional. Qantas announcing 5000 job cuts and grounding of entire A380 fleet. Lufthansa and BA about to announce the same. To think CX is any different is ridiculous, You really need to wake up.WAKE UP.

Originally Posted by FlyingNun View Post
All this ranting above mean nothing in the real world.
You can all have a wish list of how redundancies are made, but management will do what they please, unopposed by the “AOA” simply because thats what they’ve done since 1993, unless I missed something since.
All they need to do, is change the contract, which is legal... remove housing/schooling, and as a good measure; cut basic salary too.
Those who don’t like it will hand in 3 months notice and go. The company can then boast that they did not make any, and I emphasise the ANY, redundancies and kept “the team” together. Those who would leave as a result were not part of the team anyway.
Bases? yep, they’ll be kept open, or it could be one base to go from each area, namely FRA, MEL, LA.
There you have it.
Carry on stating your wish lists, and rant as much as you can, and we’ll see what the aoa can do.
God bless us all.

Agreed.
If anyone seriously thinks management haven't already got their redundancy list ready to go then they are fooling themselves, their families, everyone. I have little doubt the recent HKG Govt. cash injection will demand a re-fining of the list to start with non-HKG employess ( ie based crew ) followed by non PR. Anyone on the 777 needs to wake up too. As always AOA asleep on the job.
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Old 25th Jun 2020, 04:06
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Originally Posted by Australia2 View Post
agreed, dreadful times
yup just check 777/Airbus July’s roster it’s not pretty
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