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Old 18th Feb 2020, 02:32
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Originally Posted by iot View Post
I recomend watching this. Very well done.
You can find it on YouTube.
Search - "Contagion - Trailer, Warner Bros. Entertainment"
Great movie, but I would suggest that you are comparing apples and oranges.
To imply the coronavirus19 is similar is alarmist and scaremongering.
Yes it's knocking over a few people, and whilst not wishing to be flippant, most of those that die having contracted the virus, are elderly/sick or compromised.

In reality this is nothing more than nature thinning the herd, trimming the bits that were likely to be costly and time consuming to look after, it sounds callous, not intending to be, but it is the current reality.

Once through the other side, we should have a healthier overall population. Births will still no doubt exceed virus deaths, whilst we happily over-populate and pollute our planet. This is nothing more than a little streamlining.
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 08:26
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How cynical...

(Un)fortunately, this is not true.

The mortality rate of the virus outside of Wuhan/Hubei, where healthcare services are overwhelmed, is around 0.4%, or about the same as your garden variety seasonal influenza, which does a MUCH better job at culling the human race by killing dozens of thousands every year.
This won't even come close.

What this virus is very good at, however, is selling newspapers, spreading crap on social media, creating mass hysteria irrational behavior and ruining the economy.

On the plus side, all those parked airplanes are good news for the planet... Silver linings.
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Old 18th Feb 2020, 11:42
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Originally Posted by Yonosoy Marinero View Post
How cynical...

(Un)fortunately, this is not true.

The mortality rate of the virus outside of Wuhan/Hubei, where healthcare services are overwhelmed, is around 0.4%, or about the same as your garden variety seasonal influenza, which does a MUCH better job at culling the human race by killing dozens of thousands every year.
This won't even come close.

What this virus is very good at, however, is selling newspapers, spreading crap on social media, creating mass hysteria irrational behavior and ruining the economy.

On the plus side, all those parked airplanes are good news for the planet... Silver linings.
oh thank goodness! Itís just like influenza?
those silly guys over the border quarantined about 10 percent of the worlds population for nothing!! Silly gits!

or maybe you should not pay attention to the fake numbers they give you and watch what they do, not what they say..
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 11:49
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
oh thank goodness! Itís just like influenza?
those silly guys over the border quarantined about 10 percent of the worlds population for nothing!! Silly gits!

or maybe you should not pay attention to the fake numbers they give you and watch what they do, not what they say..
This is the point though. Ignore the numbers in China, and look at the illness outside of China. Infection rates are low, and fatality rates are low. Thankfully, and very thankfully, this does not appear to be a deadly, mutating strain of supervirus. What China is doing is what China needs to do. Russia closed its borders with China today, so the world is really making this a China problem to deal with while a nuisance for most other countries where patients are already started going home.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 02:07
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Perfectly understand most experts said that face masks should be used by one who falls ill instead of healthy one.

I did same thing that I didn't wear mask during SARS. But I chose to do now -
1. Environment changes - there are lots more people around, places are getting crowd, hard to say everyone has the same high level of hygiene standard. Spitting getting more commonly seen again; sneezing / coughing without covering mouth...
​​​2. Longer unknown period - are you 100% sure if you are healthy? Even if you are tested positive under this virus, you may not have any symptoms. Do you wanna protect people around you?

All in all, wearing face masks or not is a personal choice, same as whether taking vaccine or not. Same old argument.
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Old 26th Feb 2020, 02:14
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See all the people in Italy wearing masks now, after doctors said they would be no use.

Two people, two masks, = gotta be two steps better than nothing at all, when used with a measure of understanding and common sense, I reckon.
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 10:45
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When this was just kicking off in China, the very early days I tried to buy some quality N95 makes but they never arrived. Fast forward and a new system emerges from a company called Virustatic. The product sounded great, a face-covering coated in a unique secret recipe that killed 96% of all nasties upon contact and what's more it was washable and could be reused.Well, they arrived and I doubt they will last a week, cheap and flimsy. They were advertised as been washable but later it emerged on only three washes allowed. If you are considering these I suggest best avoided and find something else. £50 wasted.

https://www.virustaticshield.com/
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 12:12
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Fools and their money are easily parted, as this and several other recent reports have shown: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...7-20200420.htm
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 12:31
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Re masks.
Looking back at my posts here of 5th and 26th February, I see that nothing has changed. There have been no face masks in the shops since early January. Someone quick off the mark bought them all up.

Except for one thing: Prime Minister Abe has started to fulfill his pledge to send out two washable cotton masks to every household in Japan by the end of April. Laugh or cry, that is the reality.
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 12:50
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
Fools and their money are easily parted, as this and several other recent reports have shown: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...7-20200420.htm
Indeed, fortunately, my original purchase was via eBay and Paypal so I received a full refund, the masks were never sent but it's a scammers market. The virustatic things look like a disposable rag you would buy to clean your car dashboard. I was expecting a higher quality item for the price.
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Old 20th Apr 2020, 13:42
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Have a look on Facebook for the page run by Prof. K Kwong. He's a former Chemistry teacher at HK Polytechnic and has done loads of testing and design for re-usable cotton masks and gives some good guides on how they can be supplemented by tissues or kitchen towels to give up to N95 quality. Another Facebook page is HKMasks that take the Professor's work and show how to make your own (I just bought mine from G.O.D. for $70) Unless you're in an operating theatre, you really don't need N95 but the choice is yours.



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Old 20th Apr 2020, 14:56
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Chance of any of these making any difference to your life expectancy?

0.0001%
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Old 21st Apr 2020, 03:23
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
Chance of any of these making any difference to your life expectancy?

0.0001%
It could make a huge difference in the life expectancy of someone else.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 06:19
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Originally Posted by jolihokistix View Post
Re masks.
Looking back at my posts here of 5th and 26th February, I see that nothing has changed. There have been no face masks in the shops since early January. Someone quick off the mark bought them all up.

Except for one thing: Prime Minister Abe has started to fulfill his pledge to send out two washable cotton masks to every household in Japan by the end of April. Laugh or cry, that is the reality.
Scored a pack of 7 at Matsu-Kiyo on Monday.
Think I Just walked by when they had opened a carton.
Have not seen any for weeks.
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 06:20
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
It could make a huge difference in the life expectancy of someone else.

Bollocks !
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 08:01
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
+1

What the people who are running scared don't seem to realise is that many of us are quite happily continuing our (mask-less) lives as normal. This week I was at a Scrabble tournament and a fully-booked Superbowl buffet breakfast, and I have pub trivia quizzes, wine tastings, BBQs and other social events lined up in the next week or two, at which masks will be completely absent.
Soap and water is preferable to alcohol rubs
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Old 22nd Apr 2020, 08:17
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Originally Posted by Globocnik View Post
Bollocks !
bullocks how?
lets say you are healthy non symptomatic carrier of covid, you donít wear a mask and you breathe on someone who is obese, elderly, immunocompromised etc, you could infect them.
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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 03:18
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Originally Posted by Oasis View Post
bullocks how?
lets say you are healthy non symptomatic carrier of covid, you donít wear a mask and you breathe on someone who is obese, elderly, immunocompromised etc, you could infect them.
Possibly, but this virus is far more widespread than people think. Recent antibody testing is revealing vast portions of the population have had the virus. I think the most vulnerable are being taken down regardless of masks, social distancing, stay at home orders, etc. Herd immunity is the only way get on with living until there is a vaccine. The world cannot wait 12-18 months. If it does, there wonít be anything left.
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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 04:04
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Originally Posted by cxorcist View Post
Possibly, but this virus is far more widespread than people think. Recent antibody testing is revealing vast portions of the population have had the virus. I think the most vulnerable are being taken down regardless of masks, social distancing, stay at home orders, etc. Herd immunity is the only way get on with living until there is a vaccine. The world cannot wait 12-18 months. If it does, there wonít be anything left.
Correct. The sad fact is that people who are obese, immuno compromised, diabetic, coronary cases etc. die anyway. This is just hastening it along. I think one of the reasons that the UK has been hit hard is not necessarily a failure to act rapidly ( the Swedes are and indeed the Dutch were advocates of the herd immunity method; sadly an experiment too far for politicians to continue with as events overtook them) itís thatís primarily the UK IS a nation of salad dodgers and fatknackers, who expect ever expanding miracles of our free at the point of contact National Health Service.
We just donít know how many of those would have died anyway. And the ensuing economic effects of plunging the world back in to a WWII economy, to say nothing of the concomitant effects on physical, and mental health, are shortly going to outweigh the virus deaths.
It is tragic. Donít get me wrong, however populaceís around the world ( at least in the parts that are not ruled by an oligarchy or an autocracy) are not going to put up with lockdown for months on end. Witness the behaviour already here in HK or in the US.
TB, dengue, malaria. All lethal if youíre unfortunate enough to be born in the wrong part of the world. And theyíve been around for a fairly long time without being totally eradicated. With billions of dollars being thrown at them. What chance do you think there is of eradicating a virus related to the same family as the common cold. ? Masks are primarily a placebo, forcing much of the population to behave as though weíre under Sharia.
And Iíll take Paulís odds any day. As opposed to watching the narcissists amongst us plunge the world in to the dark ages.
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Old 23rd Apr 2020, 04:18
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"Bollocks"? Aw, my wife's logic wins, no more lottery tickets for me then.
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