CX management - running scared.
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Moderate, Modest & Mild.
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From: The Global village
"Recall meeting one of my F/O's (now senior Captain) from SQ in 1996 in ZRH, and he mentioned that those from OZ did not stay all that long. I wonder why?
From memory ALL of the ex-dispute Captains completed their first contract, with the majority of the younger ones signing on for a 2nd, and in some cases a 3rd renewal. Ask Blue Eagle, he was there longer, and more recently than I, and is more au fait with the numbers.
The F/O's (around 96 - mainly Aussies, but a handful of ex-Eastern Yanks as well) were hired on expatriate terms, meaning they got extra benefits such as the accomodation allowance, schooling for the kids, an expat "allowance", and a higher salary than those employed on national terms. The contract period was for 5 years following checkout, and was bonded, however SIA released us from the bond after approx. 3 years (because of intensive recruiting of young expats - Brits, Americans, Australians, Norwegians, etc) with the option to leave, or finish the contract (or convert to local terms). Many left early to join airlines that were offering a faster career progression, rather than stay with SQ which stated a minimum of 5 years on local terms would be required, before being considered eligible for command. As Blue Eagle says, about 1/2 a dozen decided to convert to local terms.
There were very few in this group who did a "runner" (where are you, Slasher?) - the early release option legally allowed us to leave by mutual agreement.
Personally, I enjoyed MY time (5 yrs and 7 mos) there, gained some good experience and enjoyed the company of the other pilots.
Hope this clears up more of the misconceptions you seem to have conjured up, 411.
Tinass if you'd like to view the scab list from 1989 I'll refer you to a website, or send you a copy of the little black book with the names.
We've gone right off the subject of the topic here btw.
From memory ALL of the ex-dispute Captains completed their first contract, with the majority of the younger ones signing on for a 2nd, and in some cases a 3rd renewal. Ask Blue Eagle, he was there longer, and more recently than I, and is more au fait with the numbers.The F/O's (around 96 - mainly Aussies, but a handful of ex-Eastern Yanks as well) were hired on expatriate terms, meaning they got extra benefits such as the accomodation allowance, schooling for the kids, an expat "allowance", and a higher salary than those employed on national terms. The contract period was for 5 years following checkout, and was bonded, however SIA released us from the bond after approx. 3 years (because of intensive recruiting of young expats - Brits, Americans, Australians, Norwegians, etc) with the option to leave, or finish the contract (or convert to local terms). Many left early to join airlines that were offering a faster career progression, rather than stay with SQ which stated a minimum of 5 years on local terms would be required, before being considered eligible for command. As Blue Eagle says, about 1/2 a dozen decided to convert to local terms.
There were very few in this group who did a "runner" (where are you, Slasher?) - the early release option legally allowed us to leave by mutual agreement.
Personally, I enjoyed MY time (5 yrs and 7 mos) there, gained some good experience and enjoyed the company of the other pilots.
Hope this clears up more of the misconceptions you seem to have conjured up, 411.
Tinass if you'd like to view the scab list from 1989 I'll refer you to a website, or send you a copy of the little black book with the names.
We've gone right off the subject of the topic here btw.
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From: Asia
Kaptin M,
Sometimes we agree, and sometimes we disagree, but there is one thing on which we do agree, most emphatically.
We all need union coverage.
In my first flying job over 25 years ago, I was bemoaning the fact that the mgt couldn't/wouldn't get along with the pilots in a company opf about 20 pilots.
A much older guy said 'Son, it's a fact of life that when a company has more than one employee, then they need a union. If for no other reason, a problem can be de-identified.'
Many of the other points, including a single negotiating voice, are also true.
There is a problem that can emerge, however, and that is that the union mgt agenda is not always the same agenda as that of the pilots, and then the problems start. Egos drive people in strange ways.
That will never change, and comes under the category of 'human nature'.
Sometimes we agree, and sometimes we disagree, but there is one thing on which we do agree, most emphatically.
We all need union coverage.
In my first flying job over 25 years ago, I was bemoaning the fact that the mgt couldn't/wouldn't get along with the pilots in a company opf about 20 pilots.
A much older guy said 'Son, it's a fact of life that when a company has more than one employee, then they need a union. If for no other reason, a problem can be de-identified.'
Many of the other points, including a single negotiating voice, are also true.
There is a problem that can emerge, however, and that is that the union mgt agenda is not always the same agenda as that of the pilots, and then the problems start. Egos drive people in strange ways.
That will never change, and comes under the category of 'human nature'.
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From: I wish the MOON
Shallow dudes
Its easy for you people to kick the Ansett guys while they are down, the 89ers have probably got more of the jobs than the pilots who had nothing to do with 89 explain that.
Also why dont you ever mention the QF (TAA) scabs who got into QF without having HSC and didnt have to do the Psyche tests Qantas is full of them and they are the same guys who screwed you with the Australian tax office but you would rather give it to the AN guys who are mostly innocent and cant get a job not even with Virgin B.
Also why dont you ever mention the QF (TAA) scabs who got into QF without having HSC and didnt have to do the Psyche tests Qantas is full of them and they are the same guys who screwed you with the Australian tax office but you would rather give it to the AN guys who are mostly innocent and cant get a job not even with Virgin B.
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From: Arizona USA
Those who "walk away" or take industrial action against a company will sometimes find that, on application to another airline, the door is firmly nailed shut.
The devil you know...etc.
Some just never learn this very basic fact.
The devil you know...etc.
Some just never learn this very basic fact.
Whispering "T" Jet
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From: Melbourne.
Ramboflyer FYI
Virgin Blue have taken over 40 ex Ansett F/Os since September last year. Of those 40, I personally know four that have been upgraded to Command.
If you are going to have a shot at people, may I suggest you use the correct ammunition.
If you are going to have a shot at people, may I suggest you use the correct ammunition.
