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The end of Fragrant Harbour

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The end of Fragrant Harbour

Old 5th Jul 2019, 04:03
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The end of Fragrant Harbour

It would appear the contributers to this forum have fallen away to nothing. The recent riots in Hong Kong, the major HKG companies new social media policies and the shear frustration of being beaten into the ground with no deal pay negotiations has left the aircrew body stunned. If you're not planning to get out of HKG start. If your plans are underway, great. If you're thinking of coming here, don't. After 30 years on this forum under one name or another I'm out. Good luck to you all. Unitedabx out.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 05:03
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A common theme in HK & particularly CX nowadays, nobody could care less anymore. You kick a dog long enough he stops barking, eventually he gives up, some just go somewhere else.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 05:44
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Or some just quietly get on with the job......


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Old 5th Jul 2019, 06:42
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Goodbye UnitedBollox, thanks for standing up to the bully when they introduced B scale way back when......
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 07:24
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This is a terrible shame. It makes meaningless my 23 years with CX. Still all good things ... etc
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 09:27
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wiltshireman ; No it doesnt. You were a successful entrant when Selection rates were something like one in ten (of fully qualified applicants). Top Legacy carrier. Top equipment and you held down an enviable position. Pour yourself a cheeky one, look through the old pics and realise just how meaningful it all was.
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 11:04
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The same 10 people that post here are the guys that post on the AOA forum...most are away on holiday!
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 14:02
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Or some just quietly get on with the job......



And look the other way while every month that broomstick goes up another cm... Apathy, is what has happened here and the price is being paid.

#CXit
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 20:11
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Originally Posted by Small cog View Post
Quite honestly I donít think some of you would be happy anywhere.
Isnít that true everywhere?
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Old 5th Jul 2019, 22:30
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Originally Posted by Small cog View Post
Quite honestly I donít think some of you would be happy anywhere.
The point is that there was a time at this Company when virtually everyone was.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 04:30
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From the recent management meeting 2019 revenue was 'a few billions' short of target.

Translation: time to leave and do NOT touch 00293.HK.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 05:09
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Always the same negative people
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 14:58
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Originally Posted by bm330 View Post
The point is that there was a time at this Company when virtually everyone was.
Not entirely true. Was mid 90's. I was flying for a known european carrier and one of our FO decided to give good old Cathay a shot. He passed, was proud(well deserved, even that nobody else from our airline really ever had the intention to go over there, hang around for ever as SO and doing landings only on the sim), left.

Fast forward. It was less than a year later that he left again, couldn't stand how the airline was operating and went back flying short haul here in Europe with another carrier.

BUT I agree. If only pay and benefits count in life Cathay was one of the many places to go back then. Let's face it - we had lots of excellent airlines to choose from in the last century. It is not single companies that "go" bad, it is the aviation industry in general. Just to many "O'Learies" around nowadays......
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 15:27
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Originally Posted by Betsy View Post
From the recent management meeting 2019 revenue was 'a few billions' short of target.

Translation: time to leave and do NOT touch 00293.HK.
Quite honestly, if management didn’t think they were a few billion short of target then it really would be time to leave. Their results, particularly as an airline rather than an investment company, are appalling. I’ve zero confidence in this management to turn the finances around, but at least they acknowledge its unsustainable.

Agree FH is dead.
It could be argued the virtual elimination of rational debate is not immune to criticism as to the cause of its demise.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 16:11
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The fact that the share price is lower than it was 20 years ago (what other large "western" corp could say that??) is also indicative of just how appallingly mismanaged this airline is. The senior management of any other company would have been sacked years ago. Here at CX, the same incompetent, arrogant and tone deaf fools keep getting promoted, and they then try to make up for their deficiencies by cheating and abusing their own employees (staff travel, 13th month, cos18 etc...). Sick of the lot of them.
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 16:41
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
The fact that the share price is lower than it was 20 years ago (what other large "western" corp could say that??)
Here are ten to be going on with: (first figure is share price in US$ 20 years ago, second figure is now; after adjustments for splits etc.)
Ford 30:10
BP 57:41
HSBC 62:41
GE 36:10
AT&T 57:34
Macy's 25:21
GSK 52:40
HP 52:20
Nokia 21:5
Sony 62:52

Source: Macrotrends<dot>net
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 17:47
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Originally Posted by mngmt mole View Post
The fact that the share price is lower than it was 20 years ago (what other large "western" corp could say that??)
Bombardier?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 17:51
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"what other large "western" corp could say that??"

Quite a lot actually - compare the top 500 companies 20 years ago with today - a significant portion no longer exist....................
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 22:30
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The end, or just a different fragrance?
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Old 6th Jul 2019, 22:41
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Asturias, I think you just made Moles point for him if you think about your comments for a few moments.
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