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BA pilots offered 11% pay rise

Old 21st Jun 2019, 03:53
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BA pilots offered 11% pay rise

Not much else to say really.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-strikes.html
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 04:37
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Shall we ask how much the 320 FO based in LGW makes pa?!

You just can't win against the media
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 08:36
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I get the feeling he has been saving all year for his holiday....poor chap I guess shitty journalism is not bringing home the bacon
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 09:00
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It’s not 11% , it’s 11% over 3 years . That makes a big difference .
terrible article full of mistakes such as they can only fly 17 hours per week . Absolute rubbish some trips are almost that long
good luck to them but anyone who has an opportunity to leave CX for BA I would go in a heartbeat
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 11:42
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Meanwhile CX is talking about abolishing modern slavery in the world.
Does that mean abolishing HKPA/COS08/18 and returning to proper expatriate contracts?
.......thought not, maybe 0/0/0% at a cost of increased productivity?

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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:27
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
From the Daily Mail article "Some of the more experienced pilots are known to earn as much as £300,000 a year with bonuses and allowances "

I wonder what they would say about the "more experienced" CX pilots who earn over £500,000 a year?
I don't think even the journalists at the Daily Mail would fall for that one!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 14:31
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Really? You reckon we earn more than $5M HKD per year? Dude, who are you?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:23
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But Paul......What is the point in comparing an expat remuneration package at CX against a non expat remuneration package at BA? It's chalk and cheese. How do the locally employed pilot remuneration figures compare? Surely that is more informative? I would be interested in how many pilots at CX employed on local contracts are receiving the equivalent of over £500,000 a year.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:31
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So in actual fact, 8 pilots (almost certainly management) earned more than your quoted GBP500,000.

Between these comments and your completely off the mark "Gay Bar " moral outrage it's almost like you have an axe to grind. If you're not careful those that don't already think you're full of the proverbial soon will.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 15:44
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'I really don't get the whole "expats deserve multiples of the money" argument'#

So basically you're arguing for no premium on expat remuneration? That's an illuminating idea but one I think would be hard to sell in any industry employing expats. The only reason expats are recruited is out of necessity and that, whether you like it or not, carries a premium.
I'm genuinely interested as to how many locally employed pilots at CX make £500000 or more per year. Paul, care to hazard a guess?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:16
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Paul, You're starting to sound a little unhinged. Who said anything about "us and them" or 'Colonialism' or 'skin color'? Clearly debating the facts makes you uncomfortable. You brought the subject up. How many locally employed pilots at CX make £500000 a year?
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:25
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Paul, you reason like a 6 year old.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 16:29
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Anyway back to the topic, I think we can all safely say that the average pilot wage at BA isnít 150K a year, just the same as the average at Cathay isnít 500K. To even bring that up Paul is highly disingenuous and on a par with the gutter press Daily Mail journalist.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:00
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Cathay has approximately 3400 pilots
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:28
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Paul, the median is most definitely not 2M HKD, you have been misinformed. Cathay management love giving money figures to the media to make us seem like the bad guys.
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 17:45
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Seems everyone is missing the main point that Mole was trying to make: the fact that BA is willing to BEGIN with an opening offer of 11% over 3 years. How does that compare to our esteemed managements offer to the CX pilots? The joke only becomes less funny year after year. I'm sure it will get better soon though....
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 18:23
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Given that UK salaries in general are rising at around 3.1% a year 11% over 3 years isn't exactly generous...................

The Hays Salary study shows
"For the third year in a row, the Hays Asia Salary Guide has reported prevalence in salary stagnation in Hong Kong, culminating in one in ten (11 per cent) employees experiencing no increase in their salaries over the last year. However, this rise is fractional and still below the Asia average of 15 per cent.

In addition, signalling salary inertia in Hong Kong was the rise in employers reporting conservative increases of up to three per cent. In 2018, 27 per cent of employers had intended salary raises by this marginal amount, but this figure leaps to 35 per cent in 2019."

which sounds quite similar to the UK
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 19:05
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Originally Posted by Paul852 View Post
Just to be clear, as I understand it, this is the amount by which the payscales rise to accommodate inflation. In addition to this all BA (and CX for that matter) pilots get an increase every year as a bonus for not dying, as I understand it. Is that correct?
You are most definitely NOT correct. CX Pilots (and most other airlines too) get an increment for being more experienced in successive years, up to a point, then that too stops. Increments are not inflation adjustments at CX or any other airline, and they never have been. They are compensation for experience and 100% expected when joining. Inflation adjustments need to be fought for!
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Old 21st Jun 2019, 20:20
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Looks like the Housing Allowance has been lumped with the salaries.
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Old 22nd Jun 2019, 03:08
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What you need to make for a given lifestyle depends entirely on where you live.

I think a decent metric might be how many people are happy at BA vs. how many people are actually happy at CX.

And where are things trending as well as what has the past trend been.
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