Motive
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From: Polar Route
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From: Hong Kong
There is no more ban, Dan. It's been well and truly broken. And I've been in CC longer than most of the seniority list have been in CX. Hugo has it right: name your goal. And how many times has this forum laughed at people repeating the same action expecting different results? GC, meet mirror.
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From: Greener Pastures
There is no point to either.
Membership is too dysfunctional/selfish to affect change.
If I still worked at CX (fortunately I escaped to greener pastures), I would quit the waste of time HKAOA, and simply do what suited me. If I wanted to work on a G then I would, if I wanted to call in sick I would. The simple fact is that no one apart from YOU will spare a second thought for you. You have one life so I would suggest do as you please.
The chest thumping that goes on here about 'not flying with so and so because they're a scab' is all hot air.
Just do whatever you like and make your own life enjoyable!
Membership is too dysfunctional/selfish to affect change.
If I still worked at CX (fortunately I escaped to greener pastures), I would quit the waste of time HKAOA, and simply do what suited me. If I wanted to work on a G then I would, if I wanted to call in sick I would. The simple fact is that no one apart from YOU will spare a second thought for you. You have one life so I would suggest do as you please.
The chest thumping that goes on here about 'not flying with so and so because they're a scab' is all hot air.
Just do whatever you like and make your own life enjoyable!
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From: the land of chocolate
There is no point to either.
Membership is too dysfunctional/selfish to affect change.
If I still worked at CX (fortunately I escaped to greener pastures), I would quit the waste of time HKAOA, and simply do what suited me. If I wanted to work on a G then I would, if I wanted to call in sick I would. The simple fact is that no one apart from YOU will spare a second thought for you. You have one life so I would suggest do as you please.
The chest thumping that goes on here about 'not flying with so and so because they're a scab' is all hot air.
Just do whatever you like and make your own life enjoyable!
Membership is too dysfunctional/selfish to affect change.
If I still worked at CX (fortunately I escaped to greener pastures), I would quit the waste of time HKAOA, and simply do what suited me. If I wanted to work on a G then I would, if I wanted to call in sick I would. The simple fact is that no one apart from YOU will spare a second thought for you. You have one life so I would suggest do as you please.
The chest thumping that goes on here about 'not flying with so and so because they're a scab' is all hot air.
Just do whatever you like and make your own life enjoyable!
Nice... oh well as long as you are happy, right?
Why bother paying the dues I wonder.
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From: somewhere in the outback
English obviously isn't your strong point is it, Oasis?
Roy de Kantzow is using something called the "counterfactual conditional" tense. He doesn't still work at CX, but he is making the hypothetical point that if he did he would not be in the HKAOA, and so on.
I guess that only comes up in ICAO Level 5 or 6 though.
Roy de Kantzow is using something called the "counterfactual conditional" tense. He doesn't still work at CX, but he is making the hypothetical point that if he did he would not be in the HKAOA, and so on.
I guess that only comes up in ICAO Level 5 or 6 though.
Then I read your 2nd paragraph. Well...at least you are teaching something useful. Not just telling him to go home and read up Vol. 4
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From: Greener Pastures
English obviously isn't your strong point is it, Oasis?
Roy de Kantzow is using something called the "counterfactual conditional" tense. He doesn't still work at CX, but he is making the hypothetical point that if he did he would not be in the HKAOA, and so on.
I guess that only comes up in ICAO Level 5 or 6 though.
Roy de Kantzow is using something called the "counterfactual conditional" tense. He doesn't still work at CX, but he is making the hypothetical point that if he did he would not be in the HKAOA, and so on.
I guess that only comes up in ICAO Level 5 or 6 though.
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From: Krug departure, Merlot transition
I don’t agree with the sentiment expressed by some here. Giving up because it’s all too hard, our colleagues are too selfish, the ban is broken etc. means becoming part of the problem, not the solution. It makes a union pointless and weakens all of us in the long run just for the sake of some short-term gain.
What you’re saying is that you give up because we haven’t succeeded yet so we’ll never win. I say we haven’t tried hard enough. Change our tactics, perhaps, but surrender? No. Harden up gents, it’s not like it’s a real war or anything, all one has to do is bloody well not answer the phone and not go into training, is that really too hard?
What you’re saying is that you give up because we haven’t succeeded yet so we’ll never win. I say we haven’t tried hard enough. Change our tactics, perhaps, but surrender? No. Harden up gents, it’s not like it’s a real war or anything, all one has to do is bloody well not answer the phone and not go into training, is that really too hard?
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From: FL370
Main Dog gets it.
Do we give up CC/TB etc and take the selfish route of doing what's best for the individual because the union is dysfunctional, useless, a waste of money etc.
OR
Is the union dysfunctional, useless, a waste of money etc, because of too may individuals giving up CC/TB, being selfish and only doing what's best for them?
Do we give up CC/TB etc and take the selfish route of doing what's best for the individual because the union is dysfunctional, useless, a waste of money etc.
OR
Is the union dysfunctional, useless, a waste of money etc, because of too may individuals giving up CC/TB, being selfish and only doing what's best for them?
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From: everywhere
The union is dysfunctional because of the membership. When only 30% decide to vote in AOA motions then you get the GC that you deserve. FFS we had the chance to vote out the current GC including one member of the GC who tried to sue a fellow member for exercising his membership rights, has now quit the association and run off to do training.
We deserve everything we get.
We deserve everything we get.
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From: Greener Pastures
It's all very well being noble and 'towing the line' etc etc, but when time after time after time, the HKAOA is caught like a deer in the headlights every time the company does something one has to wonder, 'what is the point'?
Hugo - in my view CC has long since stopped being effective. The company simply roster more defensively.
TB is effective in putting pressure on the company, however the reason people are joining training is probably because they are totally fed up of the lack of effectiveness the union shows. You end up in ever decreasing circles. Not everyone agreed with him, but Rod took the correct view, and fought the company. It is the only language they understand.