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From: Hong Kong
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Training Ban. To force the company to negotiate in good faith and treat us as an important part of the operation. To treat us with respect. One much stand up to bullies. (Anyone going into training is f**king scum to me).
Contract Compliance. Because that is what I have agreed to work to. Contract Compliance is not industrial action. It is fulfilling your contractural obligations.
Contract Compliance. Because that is what I have agreed to work to. Contract Compliance is not industrial action. It is fulfilling your contractural obligations.
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From: Krug departure, Merlot transition
To Hugo’s point. The training ban obviously has their serious attention, to the extent they’re willing to “force” people into training against all common sense and industry best practice. The TB is not “broken” until we cave in, despite some or even many defections from the weak or selfish.
I do agree as a union we need to reassess our tactics and strategy, hopefully we’ll eventually get some much-needed leadership and direction. I would love to see DLC at the helm again.
Individually deciding to throw in the towel, however, means snatching defeat from the jaws of potential victory (and don’t tell me that on the heels of the momentous 78% NO vote we didn’t squander some incredible negotiating potential).
Instead of moaning about what the HKAOA did or didn’t do, ask yourself what you are doing, as an individual, to put pressure on the company to behave honourably and respect our contracts and wholly reasonable expectations. The end result of our group effort will be decided by our determination as single individuals, the daily actions of each and every one of us.
I do agree as a union we need to reassess our tactics and strategy, hopefully we’ll eventually get some much-needed leadership and direction. I would love to see DLC at the helm again.
Individually deciding to throw in the towel, however, means snatching defeat from the jaws of potential victory (and don’t tell me that on the heels of the momentous 78% NO vote we didn’t squander some incredible negotiating potential).
Instead of moaning about what the HKAOA did or didn’t do, ask yourself what you are doing, as an individual, to put pressure on the company to behave honourably and respect our contracts and wholly reasonable expectations. The end result of our group effort will be decided by our determination as single individuals, the daily actions of each and every one of us.
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From: Vermont
Won’t work.
Too many selfish/defeatist egocentric “colleagues” who are not willing to stand up to the bully.
Furthermore, as stated before: there is no leadership.
You guys are done for. Or at least your conditions of service are.
Me, me, me, me!
Too many selfish/defeatist egocentric “colleagues” who are not willing to stand up to the bully.
Furthermore, as stated before: there is no leadership.
You guys are done for. Or at least your conditions of service are.
Me, me, me, me!
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From: FUMOD
[QUOTE=controlledrest;10471544]Training Ban. To force the company to negotiate in good faith and treat us as an important part of the operation. To treat us with respect. One much stand up to bullies. (Anyone going into training is f**king scum to me).
And how has that worked so far? A devils advocate question CR as I agree with so much of what you say but I don’t see anyone with a decent argument for what we are trying to achieve.
My contract lets me check crew direct, let’s me accept a flight with 50,000$ of EFP, let’s me go into training......yet I get up at 6am to slug it to the airport to sign on for a RPT, I watch that EFP go to some c*** and resist training. Why? For the notion of unity? That something good might come of all this? I stoically follow the mandate of CC and the TB but I don’t even know what for anymore.
And how has that worked so far? A devils advocate question CR as I agree with so much of what you say but I don’t see anyone with a decent argument for what we are trying to achieve.
My contract lets me check crew direct, let’s me accept a flight with 50,000$ of EFP, let’s me go into training......yet I get up at 6am to slug it to the airport to sign on for a RPT, I watch that EFP go to some c*** and resist training. Why? For the notion of unity? That something good might come of all this? I stoically follow the mandate of CC and the TB but I don’t even know what for anymore.
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From: Vermont
Then they’ve won, haven’t they.
Better to hand deliver your balls to the 9th floor and wave the white flag then.
Surely that will get you a better CoS.
That or come up with a better plan and lead.
That would take effort, determination and some guts, but it seems you are all a bit tired of it all.
Don’t get me wrong: you’re not wrong, but from
where I’m standing you’re all waiting for the other guy to stand up and lead.
Step it up or give it up.
Seems like too many have done the latter already.
Better to hand deliver your balls to the 9th floor and wave the white flag then.
Surely that will get you a better CoS.
That or come up with a better plan and lead.
That would take effort, determination and some guts, but it seems you are all a bit tired of it all.
Don’t get me wrong: you’re not wrong, but from
where I’m standing you’re all waiting for the other guy to stand up and lead.
Step it up or give it up.
Seems like too many have done the latter already.
