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Old 14th May 2019, 22:42
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Look at the rosters , but once they are known name and shame , having said that they obviously have no shame
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Old 15th May 2019, 00:25
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What about the 100 or so who volunteered to help out the Company being 'Jepp Testers' and are currently having a Yammer love-in with MH?
It's never ending. We are are own worst enemy.
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Old 15th May 2019, 00:29
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Exactly, Dan. I read that thread on Yammer and cringe.
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Old 15th May 2019, 01:15
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Originally Posted by Veruka Salt View Post
Exactly, Dan. I read that thread on Yammer and cringe.
Why are you reading Yammer?
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Old 15th May 2019, 01:26
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To keep abreast of the latest Airbus NPs!
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Old 15th May 2019, 02:10
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Originally Posted by Dan Buster View Post
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It's never ending. We are are own worst enemy.
Exactly why Hugo's point is valid. Call an operational halt, sort out some real goals to aim for and come back with a proper plan.
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Old 15th May 2019, 06:01
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Training Ban. To force the company to negotiate in good faith and treat us as an important part of the operation. To treat us with respect. One much stand up to bullies. (Anyone going into training is f**king scum to me).

Contract Compliance. Because that is what I have agreed to work to. Contract Compliance is not industrial action. It is fulfilling your contractural obligations.
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Old 15th May 2019, 06:07
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Anything that helps the company is breaking CC. Those jepp testers, many who are quite vocal AOA members , are now on my list. Funnily enough, one of those just asked for a JS! Sorry Mate.
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Old 15th May 2019, 06:26
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To Hugo’s point. The training ban obviously has their serious attention, to the extent they’re willing to “force” people into training against all common sense and industry best practice. The TB is not “broken” until we cave in, despite some or even many defections from the weak or selfish.

I do agree as a union we need to reassess our tactics and strategy, hopefully we’ll eventually get some much-needed leadership and direction. I would love to see DLC at the helm again.

Individually deciding to throw in the towel, however, means snatching defeat from the jaws of potential victory (and don’t tell me that on the heels of the momentous 78% NO vote we didn’t squander some incredible negotiating potential).

Instead of moaning about what the HKAOA did or didn’t do, ask yourself what you are doing, as an individual, to put pressure on the company to behave honourably and respect our contracts and wholly reasonable expectations. The end result of our group effort will be decided by our determination as single individuals, the daily actions of each and every one of us.
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Old 15th May 2019, 06:40
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Wonít work.
Too many selfish/defeatist egocentric ďcolleaguesĒ who are not willing to stand up to the bully.
Furthermore, as stated before: there is no leadership.
You guys are done for. Or at least your conditions of service are.
Me, me, me, me!
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Old 15th May 2019, 13:25
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[QUOTE=controlledrest;10471544]Training Ban. To force the company to negotiate in good faith and treat us as an important part of the operation. To treat us with respect. One much stand up to bullies. (Anyone going into training is f**king scum to me).

And how has that worked so far? A devils advocate question CR as I agree with so much of what you say but I donít see anyone with a decent argument for what we are trying to achieve.

My contract lets me check crew direct, letís me accept a flight with 50,000$ of EFP, letís me go into training......yet I get up at 6am to slug it to the airport to sign on for a RPT, I watch that EFP go to some c*** and resist training. Why? For the notion of unity? That something good might come of all this? I stoically follow the mandate of CC and the TB but I donít even know what for anymore.
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Old 15th May 2019, 14:13
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Then theyíve won, havenít they.
Better to hand deliver your balls to the 9th floor and wave the white flag then.
Surely that will get you a better CoS.

That or come up with a better plan and lead.
That would take effort, determination and some guts, but it seems you are all a bit tired of it all.

Donít get me wrong: youíre not wrong, but from
where Iím standing youíre all waiting for the other guy to stand up and lead.

Step it up or give it up.
Seems like too many have done the latter already.
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