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Old 28th Feb 2019, 15:09
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ARAP 2019

Thanks to the GMA for imposing some "improvements" to ARAP 2019. Paying more for the same thing is an improvement? Really?

Great move exempting the trainers from your 10% serviced apartment tax, what other sweeteners are you going to come up with to break the training ban? You know the one that you say really isn't affecting you anyway?

As usual, thanks for nothing.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 16:29
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Typical CX/Swire management technique: say on one hand they want to work together and make "improvements", then with the other hand, devise a policy that will further divide and cause resentment. They will never get it. Anyone who really thinks they want to stay and risk their entire career to the whims of this type of management, good luck to you. There is no future with CX.
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Old 28th Feb 2019, 22:24
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Wow things have changed!

Originally Posted by Dilbert68 View Post
Thanks to the GMA for imposing some "improvements" to ARAP 2019. Paying more for the same thing is an improvement? Really?

Great move exempting the trainers from your 10% serviced apartment tax, what other sweeteners are you going to come up with to break the training ban? You know the one that you say really isn't affecting you anyway?

As usual, thanks for nothing.
Since when does CX GMA set HK tax policy? If that's true, I have many other suggestions to add!
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 01:49
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"The TB is having little affect", that is the managments official position. Privately, they are shitting themselves that the AOC will be suspended if they cannot meet the C&T quota required by CAD.( KA trainers don't count as it is a separate AOC). From the guys I have chatted to yesterday, the trainers were not consulted over their preferential housing treatment and this smacks of pure desperation by management to try and hold things together. The TB effect is now in full swing and stunting any expansion plans. Keep it up ladies and gents. Let management eat their words.
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 01:53
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Originally Posted by Dilbert68 View Post
Thanks to the GMA for imposing some "improvements" to ARAP 2019. Paying more for the same thing is an improvement? Really?

Great move exempting the trainers from your 10% serviced apartment tax, what other sweeteners are you going to come up with to break the training ban? You know the one that you say really isn't affecting you anyway?

As usual, thanks for nothing.
I've read the GMA announcement and the ARAPA19 document a couple of times and can see no reference to exempting / favouring trainers in either of them (unless you are privy to some dastardly side-letter).

Basically, it's what we have at the moment with changes being:
- 10% contribution for Level 1 rental (currently 8% but Union had negotiated 12% so not as onerous)
- 10% contribution if in Serviced Apartments AND using Level 1 rental (doesn't apply if below RFZ)
- 25 year housing (with negotiated reversions to RFZ/Basic depending on time in scheme)
- NO end date (though can be terminated / amended with 12 months notice)
- Prorated contribution for rents between RFZ and first 10% of Level 1 rents seems to have been dropped (though by their own admission, this saves the company some money)
- NOT tied to any form of Industrial handcuffs / restrictions.

That's all I can find.
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 02:16
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Separate email to the trainers
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 03:05
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NO end date (though can be terminated / amended with 12 months notice
So basically, you can guarantee once the TB/CC is done and dusted, 12 months later ARAP will be gone as well.
In that case, the next 'negotiations' had better produce a damn good result.

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Old 1st Mar 2019, 03:07
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exempting the trainers from your 10% serviced apartment tax
Discrimination, pure and simple.
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Old 1st Mar 2019, 05:51
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Originally Posted by mothy1583 View Post
I've read the GMA announcement and the ARAPA19 document a couple of times and can see no reference to exempting / favouring trainers in either of them (unless you are privy to some dastardly side-letter).

Basically, it's what we have at the moment with changes being:
- 10% contribution for Level 1 rental (currently 8% but Union had negotiated 12% so not as onerous)
- 10% contribution if in Serviced Apartments AND using Level 1 rental (doesn't apply if below RFZ)
- 25 year housing (with negotiated reversions to RFZ/Basic depending on time in scheme)
- NO end date (though can be terminated / amended with 12 months notice)
- Prorated contribution for rents between RFZ and first 10% of Level 1 rents seems to have been dropped (though by their own admission, this saves the company some money)
- NOT tied to any form of Industrial handcuffs / restrictions.

That's all I can find.
PC sent separate emails to all trainers thanking them for their service and telling them they were exempt from the 10% issue.
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