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Refuelling with Pax on Board/Boarding

Old 20th Jan 2019, 16:54
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Boy, I think this stuff gets the esoteric bullish!t award for the week.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:13
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I wonder if the CAD/HKIA are aware of this practice and of the apparent conflict with the HKIA AOM?
For goodness sake, CX has been operating that way for at least the last 25 years and the procedure is defined in the company’s Operations Manual, which is approved by the HKCAD. HKCAD FOIs regularly fly with the company and it is regularly ramp inspected. Your seemingly innocent question now sounds like a witch hunt.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:31
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Originally Posted by White None View Post
Sir: Either your Sarcasm detector is seriously out of whack or you have less clue about whatís going on around here then about refueling (and incidentally, why do you care so much anyway - slow day in the pub?)
I thought you all might enjoy a short break from the industrial warfare blather.
I sure do.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:33
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For goodness sake, CX has been operating that way for at least the last 25 years and the procedure is defined in the companyís Operations Manual, which is approved by the HKCAD. HKCAD FOIs regularly fly with the company and it is regularly ramp inspected. Your seemingly innocent question now sounds like a witch hunt.
Fair enough. So the HKIA AOM is out of date.
By 25 years.
Fascinating!
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 17:36
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Originally Posted by Slasher1 View Post
Boy, I think this stuff gets the esoteric bullish!t award for the week.
THatís exactly what my mate said to the LTC on his Line Check!
The bastard failed him! No sense of humour obviously.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 19:28
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Whenever the crew or passengers are onboard during refuelling operation, a headset must be connected to the nose wheel interphone connection and a qualified headset man of HAECO/CASL should be stand-by in the vicinity of nose gear. The procedure of refuelling with Passengers Onboard, Embarking or Disembarking should be strictly followed up.
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 20:27
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Procedure AOM ???

Originally Posted by spannersatcx View Post
Whenever the crew or passengers are onboard during refuelling operation, a headset must be connected to the nose wheel interphone connection and a qualified headset man of HAECO/CASL should be stand-by in the vicinity of nose gear. The procedure of refuelling with Passengers Onboard, Embarking or Disembarking should be strictly followed up.
This is the goblygook garbage that CX (supported (or subverted)) by the HKCAD thrives on....

Ask CX and you'll get a Bill Clinton answer; define "Vicinity". !!!!!!
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Old 20th Jan 2019, 22:15
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Considering The price we are paying for fuel we should have our own fuel valet provided by the fuel companies
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 02:09
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and a qualified headset man of HAECO/CASL
Does he have a head and two ears? Tick.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 03:52
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Originally Posted by spannersatcx View Post
Whenever the crew or passengers are onboard during refuelling operation, a headset must be connected to the nose wheel interphone connection and a qualified headset man of HAECO/CASL should be stand-by in the vicinity of nose gear. The procedure of refuelling with Passengers Onboard, Embarking or Disembarking should be strictly followed up.
I know Hong Kong Airlines has disciplined Captains for requesting compliance with the HKIA AOM policy. And they've failed upgrade candidates for giving the wrong answer to this question in their interview.
So its not 'esoteric bullshit' for many.

Besides that, given the two recent major cargo fires during loading in HKIA you'd think it would be a good idea to have a manned headset during re-fuelling with Pax on board, especially if loading was going on too (as it most commonly would be).
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 22:26
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How about this new invention, WIRELESS.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 01:21
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Wireless headsets - great idea, if they work. I’ve found they work about half the time when the ground crew are positioned at the wing. You’ve probably heard that ‘headset connected’ annunciation being repeated over and over. That’s the headset losing wireless connection and re-making it. Theoretically the headset has the range to work from back there at the wing, but if you ask the groundcrew guys about it they’ll tell you it only works if the headset battery is fully charged, and after they’ve been using it on the ramp for a few hours the battery runs down, the signal weakens, and those comms drops occur.
If they don’t have enough backup sets to keep one on charge while the other one is in use the system is unreliable.

So it comes down to money again.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 16:03
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We have wireless headsets, no problems at all, can be at the rear of aircraft and communicate easily.
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 03:38
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When fully charged.
Or maybe some sets are weaker than others.
If you’re an engineer, ask your crews about their experience with multiple ‘headset connected’ messages.
Like i said, it’s a good solution if it works properly.
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