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What About Cathay Dragon?

Old 15th Jan 2019, 19:29
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What About Cathay Dragon?

Hi,
There are many threads and comments about Cathay Pacific, but there is almost not even a word about Cathay Dragon. I wonder how this company is and how they treat their pilots. They seem only in need of First Officers and not Captains, so how is the upgrade process? I would appreciate if anyone can give some information and idea about KA. Many thanks in advance...
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 02:55
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KA is a wholey owned entity of CX so your only option, as far as I know, is to apply to CX and they will decide whether to feed you into the KA or CX ranks. KA has its own set of issues, albeit not quite as toxic as those in CX, not least of which is that we’re at the complete mercy of the management in CX now and look how happy they’ve made their crew.
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Old 17th Jan 2019, 04:19
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When KA had a 20% pass rate for command upgrade , the training manager ( long gone can’t remember his name - just the ding ding ding ) stated our upgrade course the envy of the industry.

We have our own problems that are often more bizarre than those of our owners .

KA pilots have storm clouds ahead not worth the D scale contract . Unless they are sons or daughters of current B scalers who can live with M & D and have a guided career . 😐

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Old 21st Jan 2019, 05:00
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I remember when I joined KA, the saying was "it is the worst best paid job in the world".
Then came standard Contract with the loss of expat benefits and recently COS 18 dropping the pay scale.

Kaplan, most of what you read for CX is valid for KA as well,
Forget a quick upgrade, there were no Command course for at least 6 months and more FOs are leaving than joining.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 13:42
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Can anyone shed some light on what to expect in the initial Skype interview with KA?

Thanks!
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 00:22
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Most likely an explanation of ‘why’ you are prepared to accept POS18

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Can anyone shed some light on what to expect in the initial Skype interview with KA?

Thanks!
KA is not the airline it used to be in terms of pilot benefits. When standard COS came out, a DEFO would make about HK$1.0M, now, a COS18 DEFO can expect to make about HK$700,000 which after inflation is just over half the value assuming you reach all productivity targets (and don’t get sick) that they can change without your consent.

My guess is they will want to know why you would accept such a crappy deal given the astronomical cost of living in HK. Do not convert the salary into your home currency and get excited, this salary is enough to survive but if you have more than one kid you will be going backwards financially and not gaining seniority at a career airline.

once you get a command you also don’t get annual increments any more, instead you get increments each 3000 hours in a KA LHS.

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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 00:49
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Around 25 A320 commands this year , so I hear from the DB plaza. Zero A330. But this is whats planned , things change with the odd early retirement and inevitable resignations,

KA now prefer single , male candidates in their late 20’s, who can sow their seed in the local community.

The traditional preferred recruitment areas of Australia, NZ, UK have been expanded of late to include former Eastern European states and South Africa. We hear that India could be an area to include for future pilot demand .

Its not so bad here, the pilot retention rate speaks volumes. However, if you are a home boy.& you yearn for the girl next door, then you come for the rating and scarper after 500 hours. No bond to pay.

If you want to meet your Asian sweetheart and suck on fried tofu with mon & pap , you could have a long career ahead of you at CXDragon.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:50
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India maybe on KA's list of places to recruit but just bare in mind that when CX thought they could recruit unlimited numbers from Pakistan a few years back they feel flat on their faces. Pakistanis saw the package, converted it to P.Rupees and thought...Great. Then they did their homework and realised what they where currently getting at home gave them a much, much better standard of living and to my knowledge not one Pakistani was recruited.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 18:41
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South African DEFOs are joining every month, clearly COS18 suits them.
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Old 23rd Jan 2019, 23:59
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Originally Posted by Avinthenews View Post
South African DEFOs are joining every month, clearly COS18 suits them.
Incorrect. None have joined on CoS18. Emirates is now preferred.
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 03:46
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COS18 is the Cathay group so while not flying for Dragon they can, they are currently being put on CX but can end up anywhere in the future
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Old 24th Jan 2019, 04:14
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COS18 is the Cathay group so while not flying for Dragon they can, they are currently being put on CX but can end up anywhere in the future
OK but the thread was about Red, get the point about group. I predict they will get joiners who will either come just for the type rating or come and then realize that what we say about HK being so expensive is true. Either way they will only stay a couple of years.
CD is currently stagnant with more leavers than joiners. FOs can’t be released for command as there are no DEFOs.
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