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Old 13th Jan 2019, 16:00
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Challenge to a Feckless Management

In the latest issue of Flying magazine (Jan/Feb 19), on pg 64, there is an article entitled "This did not Happen". An indictment of the Air France 447 crash into the Atlantic. More to the point, it alludes to the loss of experience, judgement and airman ship that is now becoming endemic in our industry.

I will simply say that it is worth the read, and in particular, the last sentence is all that is needed to highlight all that is wrong with the direction that our management have taken CX in over the past 20 years. There will be more AF 447's. There will be a "CX 447" at some point...sadly.

I also suspect that as with most things, our management are deaf, dumb and blind.

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Old 13th Jan 2019, 18:04
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And when the inevitable does happen, our own Cathay management with be driving the bus that they publicly throw under the operating crew and any/every trainer that's every signed them off.

"But we trusted our pilots to be trained properly", anonymous Cathay spokesman.
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This is exactly correct, but it doesn’t matter. That battle was already lost when CX scraped the very bottom of the “pilot” ranks with their ridiculous C scale.The trainers kept signing off guys who can’t taxi, land, or even talk on the radios. “Ah, they’ll learn what they need on the line...”, making every captain a training captain on every flight. Then throw in the very fatiguing CMP patterns, and it’s getting close to game over. It’s disgusting, and now these guys are on the GC and represent a majority of CX pilots. Hence the very weak kneed TA, yet it all started with A scalers not being willing to fight back in 1993!
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Originally Posted by cxorcist
This is exactly correct, but it doesn’t matter. That battle was already lost when CX scraped the very bottom of the “pilot” ranks with their ridiculous C scale.The trainers kept signing off guys who can’t taxi, land, or even talk on the radios. “Ah, they’ll learn what they need on the line...”, making every captain a training captain on every flight. Then throw in the very fatiguing CMP patterns, and it’s getting close to game over. It’s disgusting, and now these guys are on the GC and represent a majority of CX pilots. Hence the very weak kneed TA, yet it all started with A scalers not being willing to fight back in 1993!
No, it all started with B Scalers undercutting the A Scale...
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 04:06
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Originally Posted by Kitsune

No, it all started with B Scalers undercutting the A Scale...
Actually Kitsune, you have highlighted the exact problem. When you expect new joiners to fight your battles for you, the battle is lost. (Not that you guys ever fought.) B scalers are equally culpable for C scale, and now all for CoS18. You sir, and your ilk, are THE problem. I include myself in that to the extent that my group hasn’t learnt from history.
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And yet AF447 happened at an airline with one of the strongest union cultures of anywhere in the world and one that doesn't have a C scale. I don't know what the answer is - mandate x% of all hours/ approached flown a year must be hand flown? Which would likely cause more accidents than automation if you compare pre- FBW/ autopilot safety records with today's.
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Old 14th Jan 2019, 05:23
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So much bs flies here A scalers FO sold out the start of B scale in cosap 94 because they were told if you dont accept this deal....no commands for you.....then after they signed they brought in ASL and blocked their commands anyway..

they should have striked then.....but no its death of a thousand cuts....and we are like abused spouses....we keep coming back for more **** dumped on us and then think company loves us
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So much bs flies here A scalers FO sold out the start of B scale in cosap 94 because they were told if you dont accept this deal....no commands for you.....then after they signed they brought in ASL and blocked their commands anyway..

they should have striked then.....but no its death of a thousand cuts....and we are like abused spouses....we keep coming back for more **** dumped on us and then think company loves us
You used the word "strike". Naughty boy. Not a single pilot in CX has the balls to to that and management know it.
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Data set starts in 1970. Flying has become considerably safer over last 20 years.
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If anyone is still pondering whether to stay or leave CX, ask you self a simple question: consider management attacks against it's pilots for going on now for almost 25 years, and ask yourself, "will it get better, or will it get worse". I think we all know what the answer to that question is. Makes the decision to leave a very simple one.
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